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mike the wiz
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Message 2 of 70 (77998)
01-12-2004 11:18 AM
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01-12-2004 10:23 AM


Where's Birmongham

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Message 4 of 70 (78275)
01-13-2004 7:05 PM
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01-13-2004 4:12 AM


I mon, the good ol' concrete jungle.

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Message 6 of 70 (78286)
01-13-2004 8:02 PM
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01-13-2004 7:47 PM


But snowflakes and fingerprints first need a Creation to take place in. So they do need God's design - the Creation.

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mike the wiz
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Message 13 of 70 (78391)
01-14-2004 10:08 AM
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01-13-2004 11:08 PM


But is it wrong?
How can you know if a snowflake is designed or not?
Maybe the first one was. Maybe the first fingerprint was. The " '73 mustang" was designed, but does that mean every time the particular mustang is made they re-design it? (wiz box is open)
How are these things not dependent on a designer, if a designer made everything in the universe?
Is unfalsifiable a bad thing?
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mike the wiz
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Message 22 of 70 (78635)
01-15-2004 9:45 AM
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01-15-2004 5:00 AM


More or less my point. Unless one knows the IDer one cannot
know that there was ID .... even for objects that we know where
the product of intelligent design (am ... am I repeating
myself?
I understand. Good job I know the IDer.
Do you?
My other point is that everything is dependent on the IDer. Because even a snowflake could not happen if there were no universe which the IDer has made.
I know the IDer, I've been told how and why - so I obviously recognise his handywork..........clarity when you know the IDer is garunteed.
confusion when you don't = evolution.

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Message 25 of 70 (78641)
01-15-2004 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by Darwin's Terrier
01-15-2004 10:13 AM


Hi there DT!
Hill says, is not complexity, but rather, simplicity. Specifically, it is the ability to take a complex process or product spec and create the least complicated design that will meet all project parameters.
If you can design and make me a simpler universe I'll hear about it on the news. I haven't read all the site but I mean, I say this all the time, if anyone could do a better job than our present IDer - fire away, I'm listening.
There's a number of bits of his handiwork I'm quite fond of
Name 'em. It's gotta be dung beetles. How can those taste buds not be an IDer's joke.
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mike the wiz
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Message 27 of 70 (78646)
01-15-2004 11:07 AM
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01-15-2004 10:58 AM


Listen , I can't even understand half the language on your site, so if ever there's an example of simplicity it's me.
Makes sense though that they could tell bad dung from... ‘seriously good shit’...
I'm starting to feel like a tird here...this feels aimed in my direction.
Oh well.....you can't polish a tird, hehe. I'm just wondering how dung beetles and dino dung were always around evolutionarily speaking Otherwise our taste buds would be similar to dung beetles (work that one out ).

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mike the wiz
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Message 30 of 70 (78658)
01-15-2004 12:07 PM
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01-15-2004 11:44 AM


whatcha onabaht, mate?
Tee hee hee, if there were no dung beetles to eat the dino dung we would be knee deep in turd, so we would have had to evolve turd buds. Get it now?
Not in the slightest, Mike...
I know... I'm just in a silly mood. I didn't know turd was a word so I typed tird. My conjunctive crash pallete only dissects mandatory words in the wiz file. You are right ofcourse, I have none of these necessities because I am a computer program.
But that's to jump the gun... Firstly, perhaps you could define your IDer please? By which I mean, are we talking yer basic omnipotent, omniscient etc single god?
We're talking your basic Biblical chap who just happened to make the universe. However you must first believe in order to understand design. But I won't even go there.......I'll probably just end up boring you with a rant.
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mike the wiz
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Message 32 of 70 (78666)
01-15-2004 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Darwin's Terrier
01-15-2004 12:37 PM


The turd buds was a joke by the way. Not a creationist argument. But then I do know how they're hard to tell apart. Tee hee hee.....the nasty evo part of me is coming out.
So he could indeed be the creator who’s apparently responsible for all the clumsy, foolish and downright stupid designs we find in nature. Fair enough!
What, like an Irish elks antlers? Now I thought they would surely prove silly - for what would 12 foot antlers serve them evolutionarily. However, creationarily I could understand it.
Have you any clumsy foolish or stupid examples? I'd like to now why you would think this way. You'll have to speak layman's terms though. Because I am a simple program.
Cos there’s bits of the bible that suggest that the god in question is neither omnipotent (eg Judges 1:19, Mark 6:5) nor omniscient
I think we'll leave that out of this topic, we'd only get shut down if I responded.
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