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NosyNed
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Message 7 of 70 (78289)
01-13-2004 8:12 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by mike the wiz
01-13-2004 8:02 PM


By your definition
So you are now a theist evolutionist Mike?

Common sense isn't

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Message 16 of 70 (78403)
01-14-2004 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Peter
01-14-2004 7:23 AM


Designed or Not?
Is there some feature of a watch (beyond knowing that
watches ARE intelligently designed, or that one could see signs
of tooling) that says it is designed by an intelligence.
Yes there is. As I noted elsewhere, the visiting alien could note, in short time, that the watch didn't have the capability of reproduction. It may know otherwise but we only know two ways for such a form to arise: manufactured or evolved. Since, a non-breeding "thing" can't use the second the first becomes a possibility.
However, other aliens would argue that it might be just a dead part of a living thing or a "seed" or a natural consequence of some peculiarity of this planet (like a snowflake). It is hard to put oneself in the place of anything truely alien.

Common sense isn't

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Message 46 of 70 (79678)
01-20-2004 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by TruthDetector
01-20-2004 8:17 PM


Re: Animal Flaws
Maybe, maybe, TruthDetector. But this is one of many, many, many facts that have to be understood in one grand whole. Current biology handles it very well, physics and geology tie in properly.
The maybe, maybe, God did this or that explanation has only one end point: God is deliberate deceiver! Is that where you want to take this? This is one teensy, tiny little piece of the jigsaw puzzle. You have to be able to explain them all. And as you get pressed you end up with "God fools us by making all these things look this way".
You've assumed a flood in a young earth with some sort of giant hyper fast evolution but one which has some magic invisible limit built in that no one can find. However, each of these, has at best no evidence at all and mostly is shown to be false by lots of good evidence.
Look over all the old threads here. You have to handle at least a reasonable number of them if you want to actually claim to have any kind of reasonable answer. Look where they go. In the majority of cases the young-earth, flooders give up and disappear. Is that your fate? Or will you be able to begin to detect some truth different from what you first thought?

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