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jar
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Message 1252 of 1309 (748322)
01-24-2015 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1251 by Faith
01-24-2015 3:59 PM


Re: Multicultural hypocrisy
You keep whining and crying and special pleading and trying to change the subject but never seem to offer any support for your position.
How does a wedding cake validate or support a marriage?
Has anyone in the US ever been told they must marry someone of the same sex or even date someone of the same sex?
They were asked to bake a cake IIRC.

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jar
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Message 1257 of 1309 (748333)
01-24-2015 6:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1256 by Faith
01-24-2015 6:43 PM


Re: world on its head
Faith writes:
Not that I'm surprised, but you'd think someone here might notice that driving Christians out of business for acting on their religious beliefs is a violation of their First Amendment rights, by the very government the amendment was intended to restrain from such abuse. Same with fining them or taking any legal action against them because of their religious belief.
Yet you have so far refused to present any evidence that any of their First Amendment Rights were infringed.
How does a cake validate or enable a marriage?
It really is that simple Faith.
AbE:
Have they been told they cannot hold their personal beliefs no matter how sill and bigoted those beliefs might be?
Edited by jar, : see AbE

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jar
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Message 1262 of 1309 (748346)
01-24-2015 10:43 PM
Reply to: Message 1260 by Faith
01-24-2015 10:33 PM


can you provide any support for your assertions that religious freedoms were infringe
Yet you have so far refused to present any evidence that any of their First Amendment Rights were infringed.
How does a cake validate or enable a marriage?
Have they been told they cannot hold their personal beliefs no matter how silly and bigoted those beliefs might be?
It really is that simple Faith.

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jar
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Message 1279 of 1309 (748544)
01-26-2015 4:52 PM
Reply to: Message 1278 by Faith
01-26-2015 3:33 PM


again, no evidence Faith
Faith writes:
It hasn't quite yet you know so I'm trying to show that it's a violation of the Constitution.
Then perhaps you can show how there is a violation of the Constitution?
You know, evidence Faith, not just rhetoric.

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jar
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Message 1287 of 1309 (748591)
01-27-2015 8:32 AM
Reply to: Message 1285 by Faith
01-27-2015 4:11 AM


What the First Amendment protects
Faith writes:
The First Amendment protects the Christian religion, in whatever form of life chosen. No limits are implied and you all are way out of line, just as the courts are that have been persecuting these Christian business owners for their religious beliefs. For you to keep comparing it with beliefs Christians don't hold is just more scurrilous twisting to deprive Christians of their First Amendment right.
Nonsense Faith. The First Amendment does not protect any religion, particularly Christianity. The First Amendment protects individuals FROM having the other guys religion imposed upon them.
No one is forcing the bakers to approve of or endorse or practice homosexuality or to marry someone of the same sex.
But the First Amendment does protect the client from the bakers religion.
The purpose of the First Amendment is and was to prevent crazy Calvinists and Puritans from trying yet again to set up a "Christian Theocracy".

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jar
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Message 1294 of 1309 (748689)
01-28-2015 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 1291 by Faith
01-27-2015 11:37 PM


read your sources Faith.
Faith writes:
There are interesting things written about the First Amendment in the early years that argue that Christianity was protected by it above all others, because society needs it, and that it was very clear that beliefs that were dangerous to the state (papal Rome, of course, and today it would be particularly Islam if it weren't for PC that says otherwise) or to anybody were not meant to be protected by it.
Let's look at what your very own sources say about that Faith.
quote:
1873. It was under a solemn consciousness of the dangers from ecclesiastical ambition, the bigotry of spiritual pride, and the intolerance of sects, thus exemplified in our domestic, as well as in foreign annals, that it was deemed advisable to exclude from the national government all power to act upon the subject. The situation, too, of the different states equally proclaimed the policy, as well as the necessity of such an exclusion. In some of the states, episcopalians constituted the predominant sect; in others, presbyterians; in others, congregationalists; in others, quakers; and in others again, there was a close numerical rivalry among contending sects. It was impossible, that there should not arise perpetual strife and perpetual jealousy on the subject of ecclesiastical ascendancy, if the national government were left free to create a religious establishment. The only security was in extirpating the power. But this alone would have been an imperfect security, if it had not been followed up by a declaration of the right of the free exercise of religion, and a prohibition (as we have seen) of all religious tests. Thus, the whole power over the subject of religion is left exclusively to the state governments, to be acted upon according to their own sense of justice, and the state constitutions; and the Catholic and the Protestant, the Calvinist and the Arminian, the Jew and the Infidel, may sit down at the common table of the national councils, without any inquisition into their faith, or mode of worship.
No, Christianity was NOT protected above any other religion and the reason was to protect the Catholic from the Protestant and the Jew and the infidel as well.

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Message 1299 of 1309 (781086)
03-31-2016 2:59 PM
Reply to: Message 1298 by Diomedes
03-31-2016 2:43 PM


Re: Mississippi
Or one of each?

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Message 1303 of 1309 (781798)
04-07-2016 7:55 PM
Reply to: Message 1302 by Faith
04-07-2016 7:49 PM


Faith writes:
Nobody is refusing to serve gays pizza, that has never ever been a problem, the problem is being put in a position where you have to provide a service for a gay wedding which feels like giving approval to gay marriage, which Christians cannot do.
How is it different and remember, only SOME Christians have an issue with Gay marriage.

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