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Faith 
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Message 1278 of 1309 (748532)
01-26-2015 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1269 by Larni
01-26-2015 7:03 AM


I think the point that Ringo is trying to make is that every Christian is free to sit and seethe in bitter resentment about the equality those no good gays have as long as they don't break the law.
Render unto Caesar, etc.
All the best
And that would be the perverse twisting of the First Amendment I'm talking about, which supposedly guarantees Christians freedom to practice our religion without any restriction on being a business owner. This is the invention of Political Correctness, which seeks to bring down the Constitution.
I think we'll take it all quite calmly though, not with bitterness, when it actually comes to that. It hasn't quite yet you know so I'm trying to show that it's a violation of the Constitution. But once it truly does take over and the Constitution and American freedom is turned on its head, I think we'll just quietly know that prophecy is being fulfilled and wait for the end to come. Probably pray for the likes of you, probably go out and spread the gospel and get directly persecuted for our efforts, that sort of thing.
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Faith 
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Message 1281 of 1309 (748554)
01-26-2015 7:50 PM
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01-26-2015 5:56 PM


I guess you forgot about the Commerce clause. Congress is allowed to regulate businesses.
I see, so if they aren't quite draconian enough to directly violate our First Amendment rights, they can do it through the "Commerce clause." Well, I figure they have options to give the semblance of rationality, not that any of them have to make sense, the goal being the destruction of the Fifrst Amendment rights of Christians.. Not anhybody else, just Christians.
If someone claims that their religion prevents them from serving black people, would you support the re-emergence of segregation in this country?
No, I'd expect people to be educated enough in what is Biblical and what isn't to avoid that sort of sttuppidditty.
ABE: Ya know, the First Amendment was put into place even as Christians were preaching against slavery.
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Faith 
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Message 1285 of 1309 (748572)
01-27-2015 4:11 AM
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01-27-2015 12:24 AM


The First Amendment protects the Christian religion, in whatever form of life chosen. No limits are implied and you all are way out of line, just as the courts are that have been persecuting these Christian business owners for their religious beliefs. For you to keep comparing it with beliefs Christians don't hold is just more scurrilous twisting to deprive Christians of their First Amendment right.

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Faith 
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Message 1291 of 1309 (748669)
01-27-2015 11:37 PM
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01-27-2015 12:42 PM


There are interesting things written about the First Amendment in the early years that argue that Christianity was protected by it above all others, because society needs it, and that it was very clear that beliefs that were dangerous to the state (papal Rome, of course, and today it would be particularly Islam if it weren't for PC that says otherwise) or to anybody were not meant to be protected by it. We now have revisionist reinterpretations that destroy its whole purpose of course, not only protecting Romanism and Islam, but even protecting evils such as pornography and abortion and sodomy.
ABE: This isn't from the early years, it was written by Justice Joseph Story in 1865. Certainly shows a completely different attitude than we find today: Amendment I (Religion): Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution 3:§§ 1865--73
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Faith 
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Message 1302 of 1309 (781797)
04-07-2016 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 1301 by Dr Adequate
04-07-2016 6:26 PM


That completely misses the point if it's in reference to the Pizza store that almost had to shut down for refusing to cater a GAY WEDDING. Nobody is refusing to serve gays pizza, that has never ever been a problem, the problem is being put in a position where you have to provide a service for a gay wedding which feels like giving approval to gay marriage, which Christians cannot do. There would be no problem catering pizza to a birthday party for gays or anything else besides a gay wedding.
I do wish you'd get honest about this.
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Faith 
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Message 1304 of 1309 (781802)
04-07-2016 8:02 PM
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04-07-2016 7:55 PM


TRUE Christians who care about what God says in the Bible are the ones who have a problem with it. Not the fakes and hypocrites like you.

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Message 1306 of 1309 (781824)
04-07-2016 10:31 PM
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04-07-2016 9:37 PM


Produce the evidence.

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Faith 
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Message 1308 of 1309 (781839)
04-08-2016 1:46 AM
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04-08-2016 12:05 AM


For their simply refusing to serve gays rather than refusing to serve a gay wedding.

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