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Author Topic:   Ruling out an expanding universe with conventional proofs
Phat
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Message 211 of 223 (781450)
04-04-2016 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 210 by starlite
04-04-2016 2:27 PM


Expanding Universes have to start somewhere
I like that you have a quick mind! What we try and do around here is to keep our science in the =science forums and our beliefs in the other ones. I do understand, however, that if you are a scientific creationist, you have to juggle your beliefs and facts around while you test and examine them--so we can expect a bit of overlap.
Keep up the good work. Show the other members respect even when they diss you. Its sorta like turning the other cheek.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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Phat
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Message 215 of 223 (781493)
04-04-2016 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 213 by starlite
04-04-2016 4:43 PM


Re: Expanding Universes have to start somewhere
starlite writes:
science about the origins of life or the universe IS belief and nothing at all else.
This is what you have been taught. You want to believe it, right?
I am a believer. I can say to myself that I know that there is a God. If you read any of my posts in the belief forums, you will see my arguments. Were I teaching a class, however, it would not be wise to teach that God is knowable. It would be more honest to teach that God is believable and to explain my logic.
Why not briefly share your belief about Jesus and Creation? Even though this is a science forum, I will allow some leeway for the sake of getting to understand the basis of your reasoning.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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Phat
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Message 217 of 223 (781507)
04-04-2016 8:56 PM
Reply to: Message 216 by starlite
04-04-2016 8:49 PM


How A Creator Creates
Since we are being honest, do you think Jesus created the world and heavens...or that He sort of sat in the sidelines while the big bang dunnit?
I believe that He created the Heavens and the earth. How He did it is a mystery. Who is to say that He didn't "light the fuse" as the T-Shirts say?
I see your argument that basically says that science is as much of a belief as anything else...but you cant expect scientists to simply say that GOD did everything and be content with that. Scientists are always asking WHY and HOW.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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