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Genomicus Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 852 Joined: |
No one here at EvC has mentioned this yet, so I'd like to bring attention to a recent paper that was published by PLOS ONE, entitled "Biomechanical Characteristics of Hand Coordination in Grasping Activities of Daily Living."
A glance at the title of the paper reveals nothing particularly strange. However, one need only read the abstract to come across this: "The explicit functional link indicates that the biomechanical characteristic of tendinous connective architecture between muscles and articulations is the proper design by the Creator to perform a multitude of daily tasks in a comfortable way." Of course, the broader scientific community took to Twitter in a valiant effort to understand how such a paper could have been published in a peer-reviewed journal. Fortunately, PLOS ONE has retracted the paper, immediately apologized, and appears to be going in a frenzy in an attempt to clean up this mess. See here for some discussion and comments regarding PLOS ONE. I'd like to use this thread to: 1. Discuss any bad science papers that somehow make it to print. 2. Stimulate broader discussion of the peer-review process and how it can be improved.
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Admin Director Posts: 13108 From: EvC Forum Joined: |
Thread copied here from the When Peer Review Fails: Bad Science Papers of the Week thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
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Percy Member Posts: 22953 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Here's a link to the paper: Biomechanical Characteristics of Hand Coordination in Grasping Activities of Daily Living
Here are all three sentences in the paper containing the word "creator":
quote: I don't know anything about PLOS ONE, but they seem fairly embarrassed, so I assume they're a respectable peer-reviewed journal. The questions raised in discussion deserve answers. It's hard to see how something like this could happen. One has to suspect an inside job along the lines of Richard Sternberg's complicity as editor in placing Stephen C Meyer's paper in the Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington. I bet we still don't know who Sternberg's reviewers were. Yep, looking up Sternberg Peer Review Controversy, we still don't know the identities of the reviewers, other than Sternberg himself. --Percy
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2362 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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There is a blog on this subject on The Sensuous Curmudgeon's site. Included in the comments are the following four discussing possible translation errors from Chinese to English:
Paul D. | 3-March-2016 at 10:39 pm | Peer-Review Ruckus Thrills Discovery Institute | The Sensuous CurmudgeonReligious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Blue Jay Member (Idle past 2954 days) Posts: 2843 From: You couldn't pronounce it with your mouthparts Joined: |
I became curious when I saw your comment about a Chinese translation error, because my first thought was "I don't know any Chinese words that could be mistranslated that way."
I've never heard the word "zao hua" ( 造化 ) before, but I can tell what it means by context. "Zao" (pronounced "dzao") means "make" or "create: it's the second character in the word "chuang zao" ( 创造 ), which means "create," and is the word used for "Creation" in the biblical sense. "Hua" (pronounced "hwah") is a character that means "change," but I always understood it as being kind of like the English suffix "-ization." So, I might have understood it as "create-ization" or "the process of being made" or something like that. My Chinese isn't top-of-the-line anymore, but I'd give the authors the benefit of doubt and assume it was intended to mean some evolutionary process. Still, it seems like an awfully bizarre translation error to make if it was completely innocent. I guess it's possible that a naive graduate student thought "by the Creator" was just a flowery English phrase, but the addition of "proper design" and such makes it hard to write off as an honest mistake. Does anybody know who did the translation?-Blue Jay, Ph.D.* *Yeah, it's real Darwin loves you.
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JonF Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Someone claiming to be an author of the paper has weighed in:
PLOS ONE retracting paper that cites the Creator:
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Percy Member Posts: 22953 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Blue Jay writes: Still, it seems like an awfully bizarre translation error to make if it was completely innocent. I guess it's possible that a naive graduate student thought "by the Creator" was just a flowery English phrase, but the addition of "proper design" and such makes it hard to write off as an honest mistake. This is how it strikes me, too. If the original paper was in Chinese, and if all the reviewers were Chinese, and if the problem is all the fault of the translator, then in that case PLOS ONE can't be faulted, but it seems a stretch. Maybe I shouldn't comment further since I know no Chinese, but looking again at those sentences containing the word "Creator" it is hard to believe it's a translation problem. It's hard to imagine a technical translator who can accurately render words like tendinous, biomechanical and kinematic from the Chinese, but somehow mistranslates the Chinese phrase "zao hua" into "Creator," making sure to capitalize it, plus the word fits smoothly into those sentences. It isn't forced or illogical at all, and what other concept could be meant if not "Creator." --Percy
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mike the wiz Member (Idle past 250 days) Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
What an absolute scientific outrage and disgrace to science that someone has affirmed the law of non-contradiction in an article by saying that a wonderfully graceful, supple and miraculously intelligently designed hand, with specified complexity, contingency planning and all of the rest of it, was therefore designed by a creator.
Whatever will they tell us next in science articles, that a beautifully baked cake was created by a cake-baker, or that a wonderfully imaginative painting was painted by an imaginative painter? What a disgrace, that they suggest to us that we should heed the law of non-contradiction in this way when the publishers have brainwashed me into believing for so long that I am both Mike, AND not Mike. To suggest brilliant design is designed is just the height of pseudo-science and I am outraged, for if there was a creator God we would not expect evidence of design we would expect evidence of, "not design", just like we would expect that if you are a qualified scientist you should have no scientific credentials and if you are a human male you should have female genitalia. "Khan.....I'm LAUGHING at the superior evo-intellect." - Captain Kirk, The wrath of Khan. Mikey out. Edited by mike the wiz, : No reason given.
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 123 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined:
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I'm bilingual with English and an East Asian language. I can see how this mistranslation can arise.
Just keep in mind that translating between the languages aren't always as simple as using a dictionary. For example, my people uses the same word for nature and God. I know this confuses a lot of westerners. If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it. |
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mike the wiz Member (Idle past 250 days) Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
Percy writes: Maybe I shouldn't comment further since I know no Chinese, but looking again at those sentences containing the word "Creator" it is hard to believe it's a translation problem I know the feeling, but then why don't you just blindly believe by faith that it was just a translation error, like you blindly would believe that when you look at a hand, it's design is only an illusion despite how it seems. Come now Percy, we both know that a hand doesn't have a use, any more than a carburetor. That would be silly. What you need to do to get back your ability to fool yourself is to perhaps read origin-of-species a few times. Then you will feel as right as rain again.
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Blue Jay Member (Idle past 2954 days) Posts: 2843 From: You couldn't pronounce it with your mouthparts Joined: |
Hi, Percy.
Percy writes: It's hard to imagine a technical translator who can accurately render words like tendinous, biomechanical and kinematic from the Chinese, but somehow mistranslates the Chinese phrase "zao hua" into "Creator," It's not all that hard for me to imagine. Most authors don't use translators, so the only "translation service" they would get is from a peer-reviewer or journal typesetter who's willing to spend time on it (which is not very common). I know a fair number of foreigners who are extremely conversant in English with their specific topics of expertise, but struggle with everyday English. As a parallel, when I was a missionary in Taiwan, I could take fluently about anything related to the gospel, but frequently made mistakes and misunderstood conversations about sports or cooking or other things like that.
Percy writes: ...making sure to capitalize it, plus the word fits smoothly into those sentences. It isn't forced or illogical at all, and what other concept could be meant if not "Creator." I agree with this: it seems like a very specific reference to a very specific cultural concept that would be hard to innocently mistake for something else. I'm still willing to give them the benefit of the doubt --- after all, I'm not sure what kind of filters are between the average Chinese scientist and the concepts of Western religious traditions --- but it still feels really odd.-Blue Jay, Ph.D.* *Yeah, it's real Darwin loves you.
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Percy Member Posts: 22953 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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Interesting, but it still doesn't feel right to me. One of the sentences was, "Hand coordination should indicate the mystery of the Creator’s invention," and according to them that will become, "Hand coordination should indicate the mystery of Nature's invention." Not making sense to me. Why do I have the feeling that desperate conversations are taking place in China right now:
"Dude, how could you make those edits to what was supposed to be the final version? You've screwed us!"
"No I haven't. It's important for the world to understand the gifts of our Creator." "I didn't know you were evangelical." "You're not a true Christian, you're dead to me." " --Percy
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mike the wiz Member (Idle past 250 days) Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
Hand coordination should indicate the mystery of Nature's invention." Not making sense to me. So you think that nature inventing something would make no sense to say? But I have read that many times in scientific literature, they often say things like the, "genius of evolution" or "evolutionary genius". Or, "nature's cleverness". These are all superb oxymorons, akin to saying, "fugacious pine trees". If he meant to say "nature's invention", that would be the mistake of anthropomorphism, because it would be to endow nature with creative abilities of intelligent design as though it is a thoughtful, omnipotent, omniscient, person. Personifying nature is actually quite common in scientific articles, I think one scientific magazine banned the use of such terminology because they didn't want people to think that scientists were alluding to God being the creator when in fact what they were actually doing was TACITLY admitting to design in nature and then giving the kudos to evolution. Edited by mike the wiz, : No reason given. Edited by mike the wiz, : No reason given.
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Percy Member Posts: 22953 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Let me add a little emphasis:
"Hand coordination should indicate the *mystery* of Nature's invention." Not making sense to me. The author appeared to be claiming that by "Creator" he only meant the design or invention of nature resulting from evolution, but if that were true he wouldn't have used the word "mystery." --Percy
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.2
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Years ago I was asked to review an English translation of a Japanese book about dragonflies. The translator was an American living in Japan who had no knowledge of entomology or biology. There were some very odd sentences in English and in some cases a dozen or more back and forth discussions to understand what the author was saying. This was all complicated by the translator not using email and his handwriting was so small that I had to use a magnifying glass to read it.
The project took 2 years and I was supposed to get a copy of the $600 book. They claimed my copy was stolen in the mail so I never got one. What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy |
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