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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 609 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
An excellent article but the author had some wacky ideas on other topics that discredited him.....too bad...henry dale Hoffman
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 311 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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In a remarkable turnabout, 59 percent of Republicans now say climate change is happening, up from 47 percent just six months ago ... Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 311 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Article here.
2015 is the warmest year ever recorded. Thirteen of the top 14 warmest years on the books have happened this century. And here in the United States, it has been a hot, strange month. Many cities across the northeast smashed their Christmas and Christmas Eve temperature records not at midday, but at the stroke of midnight. For the hundred-plus years that New York temperatures have been recorded, the city has never been warmer than 63 degrees Fahrenheit on a December 24. Yet at 1 a.m. on Christmas Eve of this year, the thermometer measured 67 degrees.
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3988 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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Also, excellent summary of 2015's weather anomalies here.
quote: quote: I fear we live in interesting times. It must suck to be young. Edited by Omnivorous, : O reason not the need."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads." Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.-Terence
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
Go to the site as it is interactive.
quote: Go through each of the graphics to see. Sorry, I was not able to capture the images, as they are active. The ones of greater interest are on: page 5 - all natural factors combined page 10 - all human factors combined. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Yet at 1 a.m. on Christmas Eve of this year, the thermometer measured 67 degrees. This last argument is probably an example of one that AGW defending folks should not use. It is a weather not a climate argument and the very next coldest day record that shows up is going to be used as a counter argument. Or maybe I am wrong. Can someone make the case that pointing to a particular warmest day on record isn't a bad argument? Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3988 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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NoNukes writes: Or maybe I am wrong. Can someone make the case that this isn't a bad argument? If it happens often enough, especially trending over an extended period of time, it's no longer weather, it's climate."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads." Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.-Terence
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
f it happens often enough, especially trending over an extended period of time, it's no longer weather, it's climate. Of course. That's why I accept most of the paragraph and only pick on the final claim which is about a particularly warm day last week. On further review though, I think the entire paragraph with the exception of the initially claim about temperatures this past century is quite questionable. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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petrophysics1 Inactive Member |
NoNukes,
I am looking at my electric bill from Rocky Mountain Power. I used 224 Kwh more this December than I did in December of 2014. Interesting thing is that this bill lists the average daily temperature for both December 2014 and December 2015. For 2014 the average temp for December was 29F. For 2015 the average temp for December was 13F. Does this mean the earth's temperature has dropped 16 degrees F in the last year? Only if you are an AGW moron.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8552 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Does this mean the earth's temperature has dropped 16 degrees F in the last year? Only if you are an AGW moron. Your're right. Only a moron would think that. And only a moron would consider that anyone who understands the science and the facts of AGW would think that.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
The amazing thing is that you would even posit that anyone that understands the science of AGW would think such a thing. I think you just built a giant of a strawman.
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Your're right. Only a moron would think that. And only a moron would consider that anyone who understands the science and the facts of AGW would think that. Especially when you look at the data presented in the Message 245 link, which covers *all* the purported\supposed "alternative" explanations of the deniers AND all the anthropomorphic causes and compare them to the observed data: (1) sum natural causes ~negligible effect(2) sum human causes ~100% effect So one would have to be a moron to continue to argue natural causes are having a significant effect on the data. Note that they include aerosols which were banned to prevent ozone depletion and their reduction in use leads to negative warming trends -- evidence that we CAN affect the results with appropriate action. My advice to those in fossil fuel industries is to get out and get involved in alternatives. My house is now grid-free from electricity, and by next year I plan to be off gas (converting my heating system to electric hot water powered by my solar panels). Every day that passes just brings more confirmation of global climate change, sadly, it seems, at an increasing rate. So when does the cognitive dissonance bubble burst? What catastrophe will be needed to make people sit up and listen? Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : clrty Edited by RAZD, : spby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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I paid $15,000.00 to have a solar panel array installed on my roof.
This will save me $750.00 per year on electricity costs (at current rates, which I expect to rise with time). That is a return on investment of 5% -- better than you can get from most other forms of investment. The government grants & tax breaks mean ~1/3 of the cost of the installation will be recovered, increasing my return to 7.5% per year. My current gas bill is ~$850.00/year for house heating (radiant hot water) and hot water. Converting to an electric water heater (which gets hot enough to use for radiant floor heat -- you don't want to scald your feet) means an additional saving (for an additional cost of ~$800.00 installed), and would bring my return on investment to $1600.00/$15800.00 = 10% and with the grants and tax cuts it will be $1600.00/$10800.00 = ~15% return. Note that this means you can make this investment with a 2nd mortgage or a home equity loan and still be ahead as long as the interest on the loan is less than the "interest" you realize from reduced utility costs. Every year I will in effect be getting $1600.00 from the sun. While I do nothing but sit and enjoy it. And this will increase each year as the utility rates go up. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : tpoby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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oil and gasman writes: Does this mean the earth's temperature has dropped 16 degrees F in the last year? Only if you are an AGW moron. Just to be clear. I think the understanding that 2015 was the hottest year on record and that thirteen of the last fourteen such years were in this century is a statement about climate rather than weather. OTOH I do question the validity of statement about how cold or hot it was last week as evidence for climate change regardless of its cause. Such statements are not helpful. You might just as well be showing a snowball in front of Congress or arguing about your pipes having frozen last year as some have done here. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Just to be clear. I think the understanding that 2015 was the hottest year on record and that ... ... each month was a new hottest record for the month, which I believe is a new phenomenon. Let me spell that out again: 2015 was the hottest year, month by month, than any on record. There is a measured slowing of the ocean conveyor belt. [abe] Domain Names, Web Hosting and Online Marketing Services | Network Solutions
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