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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Big_Al35 writes:
It isn't so much that we "can't" have giant humans - but we don't. It's hypothetically possible for humans to have evolved with strong enough bones and muscles for dinosaur size - but they didn't. It's hypothetically possible for there to be an island the size of Australia in the middle of the Pacific Ocean - but there isn't.
Well if you can have giant lizards, why not have giant humans.
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 820 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
Claim: The skeleton of a giant human was uncovered during gas exploration in Saudi Arabia. Well the giants would satisfactorily explain the megalithic construction at Cusco in Peru; the site known as the Sacsayhauman, huge rocks carved out perfectly, earthquake resistant and defying even modern day masonry. A human of the size in the photo however, would make short work of it.
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Percy Member Posts: 22479 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8527 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Well the giants would satisfactorily explain the megalithic construction at Cusco in Peru; So would a civilization of extraterrestrials, or a civilization of average human beings, or a civilization of intelligent box turtles or a civilization of pixie fairies from the earth's hollow core. So what?
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2126 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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I've analyzed about a thousand skeletons over a period of about 40 years. No giants.
I'm also familiar with a lot of the professional literature. No giants. What we do have are claims that when examined turn out to be fakes, or the bones went missing, or hearsay. No giants.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Do you have the fossils of giant human beings that have been found all over the earth? No. Nor does anyone else. 'Cos they don't exist.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5946 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
Here is a case history of such a claim, Ed Babinski's Men Over Ten Feet Tall, Winter/Spring 1996. It's part of what looks like a newsletter that he was writing at the time, Cretinism or Evilution?. The main article, which you can read by clicking on the "Previous" arrow, was titled Creationist Folk Science. In it he characterized most creationist presentations as collections of tall tales. In this multi-page article, he discusses three such tall tales: Men Over Ten Feet Tall?, A Frozen Ninety Foot Tall Plum Tree
with Ripe Fruit and Green Leaves Found North of the Arctic Circle?, and Remains of Warm Weather Hippos Have Been Found in the Tundra's Frozen Muck?. Myself, I characterize creationist claims more as a form of urban legend. Nobody knows who actually created them, but they circulate continuously through the community, changing over time to fit the current culture (eg, the story of a boy saving Nixon from drowning and begs the President from telling his father -- that one has been retold for other presidents (Clinton and "Dubya" Bush, though the latter by the North Koreans) and Hitler; it appears to date as far back as 1924 (http://www.snopes.com/humor/jokes/nixon.asp)). One of the characteristics of urban legends is that amplifying details get added as they spread. For example, even though Carl Baugh is the main source of the following giant-men claim, when Kent Hovind picked it up he added a specific date to the "find" which Baugh did not have. In Men Over Ten Feet Tall?, creationist Carl Baugh had given Babinski a "photograph" of an "11' 6" skeleton" of a man that had been found in an Italian mine. I place "photograph" in quotation marks, because while Carl Baugh claimed it to be a photograph it is quite obviously a drawing. In addition, an artist who saw the drawing pointed out that the light sources it depicts are entirely wrong. Babinski investigated that "photo" in order to find the actual evidence that it depicted. A curious thing is that even though he was working to provide creationists with the hard irrefutable evidence that they needed to prove their claims, the creationists were completely disinterested. Kind of like they knew in advance that Babinski would never find any evidence because their claims are bogus to begin with. Also, Al, as others have suggested, you really do need to review biomechanics and what the real-life consequences of enlarging a person would be. I don't care how many low-budget 1950's sci-fi atom-bomb movies you've seen; it wouldn't work like that. "I'm the least scientific person you'd ever meet. I wouldn't know a cosmic ray if it came up and bit me. But I thought "cosmic rays ... yeah, that sounds good. Let's use that!"(Stan Lee in The Never-ending Battle about his creation of the Fantastic Four, from memory) "Those who are refuse to learn the lessons of science fiction are doomed to live them."
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 820 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
Dr Adequate writes: No. Nor does anyone else. 'Cos they don't exist. If I said elongated skulls have been found would you say that those don't exist too? Anyway here is a link -->Initial DNA analysis of Paracas elongated skull released — with incredible results | Ancient Origins
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Percy Member Posts: 22479 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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Big_Al35 writes: If I said elongated skulls have been found would you say that those don't exist too? Do you get some kind of masochistic delight at parading your ignorance around here? Of course elongated skulls exist. It's called head binding. Some cultures, for their own reasons, obviously thought it was appealing. Have you also not heard of neck rings and foot binding? --Percy
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8527 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
If I said elongated skulls have been found would you say that those don't exist too? Why would we reject the fact of elongated skulls? There are independent confirmations of such skulls from around the world and we know how such deformities are purposely created in infants. Just because someone rejects a known hoax, Big-Al, does not mean they reject a verified reality. You do know the difference between a hoax and a reality, don't you, Big_Al? You know the former is not real while the latter is, right? As for your link's supposition of spooky alien origins for the Peru skulls, well I'm sorry but the "scientist" involved with this DNA analysis is a "paranormal tour" operator in Peru, without the scientific background to conduct such sensitive tests, will not release his technique or his data. His position as Assistant Director of some museum is due to his friend, the Director and owner of the private museum, without any discernible credentials, who is also a member of the tour operation business. You can see why his contention of alien origins would fit his business model, yes? While the actual science he claims is non-existent, right? You really like hoaxes, Big_Al. I hope you're just trolling, again, and don't actually believe this crap.
Jesus Appears in Disney World. Wants to Kill Christians. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 820 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
Percy writes: Of course elongated skulls exist. It's called head binding. Some cultures, for their own reasons, obviously thought it was appealing. You obviously didn't bother to even look at my link. It clearly rules out head binding as the cause due to the cranial joins being in unusual places.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8527 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
It clearly rules out head binding as the cause due to the cranial joins being in unusual places. How would anyone know this? The data is not being released. Any independent finding contrary to the BS presented would put a big dent in the tour business. Can't have that.
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Percy Member Posts: 22479 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Big_Al35 writes: You obviously didn't bother to even look at my link. Sure I did. Congratulations on believing just about anything you read, I guess. What you have to do is compare what you read with what you know of reality. For instance, your article (Initial DNA analysis of Paracas elongated skull released — with incredible results) said:
quote: Notice that it says that head binding does not change the volume or weight of a skull. When you read that, did you ask yourself whether that's possible? Here's a picture of a woman who had head binding. Do you really believe her skull is still the original volume and weight?
So if an article can't even accurately report things as simple as volume and weight, are you really going to believe them about things as incredible as having one parietal plate and mitochondrial DNA with unknown mutations indicating "a new human-like creature very distant from Homo sapiens, Neanderthals and Denisovans"? Don't you think such a stunning discovery might get reported in the New York Times and Scientific American, instead of at Ancient Origins? And instead of by an author who chooses to write under a pen name? And who is evidently just repeating nonsense from another writer for Ancient Origins (Elongated Human Skulls Of Peru: Possible Evidence Of A Lost Human Species?). Come on, Al, wake up and stop being such a rube. Competing with all the actual facts are mountains of fictions and nonsense. You need to begin developing some ability to tell the difference. --Percy
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 820 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
AZPaul writes: How would anyone know this? The data is not being released. Any independent finding contrary to the BS presented would put a big dent in the tour business. Can't have that. And yet Richard Dawkins wants me to visit his museums instead, to prove to myself that his version of events is the correct one. Can't you see the double standards?
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2126 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Among the many skeletons I've analyzed were dozens with some degree of cranial deformation. Deformation is found in most areas of the world.
No big deal.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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