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Phat
Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 61 of 83 (761834)
07-06-2015 8:15 AM
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A Gentle Jab For A Biblical Creationist
Author:RAZD
Forum:Links & Information
Thread: Don't Believe In Evolution? Try Thinking Harder
Message #:20 RAZD takes an opportunity to educate a Biblical Creationist in an encouraging, evidence based reply. I applaud this post for being informative. RAZD ends it by saying to Rocky Perhaps if you selected what you consider is your *best* argument against evolution we can start with that to see who is more correct when it comes to matching the evidence of reality. a mild challenge which is not disrespectful. The debate is far from settled. Evidence in one corner...Belief in the other. Perhaps our goal should be to type out our arguments articulately. Thats a daily challenge for me.
God created war so that Americans would learn geography. —Mark Twain
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Minnemooseus
Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: 11-11-2001 Member Rating: 10.0
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Message 62 of 83 (765661)
08-03-2015 9:34 PM
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Tanypteryx, at "Oh No, The New Awesome Primary Thread"
Author: Tanypteryx Forum: Coffee House Thread: Oh No, The New Awesome Primary Thread Message #: Message 231 I don't know what to say about this message, but I like it. Moose
Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment. "Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith "Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien "I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4411 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.4
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Re: Tanypteryx, at "Oh No, The New Awesome Primary Thread"
Thanks for the vote. I don't know what to say about it either. I only intended to point out that Oswald's use of a mail-order rifle was what brought about the legislation that outlawed mail-order firearms, but kind of got carried away. 
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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Re: Tanypteryx, at "Oh No, The New Awesome Primary Thread"
I only intended to point out that Oswald's use of a mail-order rifle was what brought about the legislation that outlawed mail-order firearms, but kind of got carried away. Your post shone brightly against the foil! Nice job and well deserving of the nomination. I'm going to read it again while I wait for those otter pics!
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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Message 65 of 83 (768802)
09-14-2015 7:42 AM
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Rrhain on Gay Marriage, Seperate but Equal
Landmark gay marriage trial starts today in California, Message 722 Well said, especially when he gets to
And to Faith's idea that "blacks find it offensive," I find it offensive that anybody would dare to deny the equivalency of the fight for civil rights based upon race with the fight for civil rights based upon sexual orientation. If we're going to go down that road, gays have it worse: Kudos Enjoy
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Minnemooseus
Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: 11-11-2001 Member Rating: 10.0
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Message 66 of 83 (770125)
09-29-2015 9:03 PM
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dwise1 - False Dichotomies and the Two Model Approach
Author: dwise1 Forum: Biological Evolution Thread: How long does it take to evolve? Message #: 62 The message subtitle is "False Dichotomies and the Two Model Approach". Another massive effort from dwise1. We've heard much to all of this before, but here's another fine summary concerning the "creation/evolution wars". Perhaps a contender for the title "best post in evcforum.net history"? Moose
Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment. "Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith "Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien "I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose
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Omnivorous
Member Posts: 3985 From: Adirondackia Joined: 07-21-2005 Member Rating: 7.1
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Re: dwise1 - False Dichotomies and the Two Model Approach
Dwise1 has become our historian of creationism. Perhaps he should consider a book-length account. Compiling his posts here on that topic would be a good start.
"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads." Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence
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dwise1
Member Posts: 5947 Joined: 05-02-2006 Member Rating: 5.6
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Re: dwise1 - False Dichotomies and the Two Model Approach
My creation/evolution website is at http://cre-ev.dwise1.net/. Unfortunately, I have far too little time to maintain it properly. For a long time I've been meaning to write a page about the Two Model Approach, but have had to deal with other priorities instead. I was thinking that this contribution of mine could serve as the nucleus for that page. I certainly doubt that Lamden is going to come back, so if I only meant it for him then it would have been a waste of time and effort.
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Pressie
Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: 06-18-2010
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Message 69 of 83 (770207)
10-01-2015 6:24 AM
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Reply to: Message 68 by dwise1
09-30-2015 10:21 AM
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Re: dwise1 - False Dichotomies and the Two Model Approach
Whether Lamden comes back or not; I'm sure that everyone who read your post learned a lot. Thank you. I'll try to be the first one in line to buy your book on the subject if you decide to publish something like that. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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Message 70 of 83 (770908)
10-15-2015 1:34 PM
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Blue Jay
A New Run at the End of Evolution by Genetic Processes Argument - Message 104 I feel like I’ve made a good-faith effort to understand and explain, but I’m still having trouble identifying what keeps you from agreeing with my perspective on what is and what isn’t rational. Maybe it’s because I’ve only ever presented one paper on beneficial mutations? Maybe you think we only have one experiment that supports our idea that mutations create new alleles? Is that the problem? Just in case it is, here are a few more examples: ... (see link) When we say that alleles come from mutations, we aren’t making wild, unfounded assumptions. There really is very good evidence that alleles come from mutations, and a lot of scientists have put in a lot of hard work to acquire that evidence. And, there is no evidence that alleles come from anywhere else. Until that evidence comes out, mutation seems like the best --- indeed, the only --- hypothesis we’ve got. Science does not work on assumptions, but on hypothesis developed from evidence in order to explain the evidence. A good and to the point post. Enjoy Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Fixed message number link - RAZD was an order of magnitude off - Had 77090, needed to be 770901.
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Blue Jay
Member (Idle past 2718 days) Posts: 2843 From: You couldn't pronounce it with your mouthparts Joined: 02-04-2008
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Message 71 of 83 (770950)
10-16-2015 10:53 AM
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Reply to: Message 70 by RAZD
10-15-2015 1:34 PM
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Re: Blue Jay
Thanks for the vote, RAZD!
-Blue Jay, Ph.D.* *Yeah, it's real Darwin loves you.
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Phat
Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 72 of 83 (773650)
12-05-2015 3:40 PM
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Untangling the arguments
Author: Tangle Forum: Coffee House Thread: Another one that hurts Message #: 445 Edited by Phat, : No reason given.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Percy
Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: 12-23-2000 Member Rating: 4.8
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Message 73 of 83 (774178)
12-14-2015 9:47 AM
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Cat-Sci
The obvious patiently explained yet again - very, very well this time. --Percy
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Message 74 of 83 (774226)
12-14-2015 7:35 PM
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Reply to: Message 73 by Percy
12-14-2015 9:47 AM
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Re: Cat-Sci
Awesome! Thanks boss!
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4411 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.4
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Message 75 of 83 (774419)
12-17-2015 2:30 PM
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Theodoric
This is the best summation and reaction to the fake "outrage" by the martyrs for Xmas in the fake war that I have ever read.
Theodoric writes: All I can say to all to the hurt "christians" is; Grow the fuck up. No one is trying to insult you or your religion. Just because you think it is special does not make it incumbent upon me to treat you or your religion with any more respect or disrespect than I would any other person or religion. My sentiments exactly.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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