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Greatest I am
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Message 361 of 511 (772676)
11-17-2015 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 357 by ICANT
11-17-2015 3:23 PM


ICANT
"God did not send someone else to die to restore the relationship with mankind. He came Himself."
Get the scripture that says God can die please.
Literalist are always hard to debate with because you guys always throw your B.S. fantasies in there and those cannot be spoken to in any intelligent way.
You keep telling us all that you know for sure about God while ignoring that your theology begins by saying that God is unknowable, unfathomable and works in mysterious ways.
IOW. You cannot know anything about God and thus everything you say you know and fathom is an outright lie.
That is why I say a truth when saying that all priests are liars.
You believe a whole bunch of lies and have become an idol worshiper of lies.
That is why you can somehow delude yourself into thinking that a God who, as in King David's story, can torture a baby for 6 days before finally killing it, and is somehow still a good and just God in your deluded eyes.
Shame on you for having and supporting such a satanic God.
Regards
DL

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NoNukes
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Message 362 of 511 (772703)
11-17-2015 7:26 PM
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11-17-2015 3:06 PM


The dark energy and dark matter was in reference to what hold's the universe together as it is made up of atoms also.
Dark energy is causing the universe to expand at ever increasing rates. Surely you are not trying to tell me that dark energy is holding the universe together.
What we call dark matter has a negligible effect on atoms. It does not help keep atoms together.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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Bliyaal
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Message 363 of 511 (772713)
11-18-2015 7:34 AM
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11-17-2015 3:39 PM


You're dodging.
How is it evil? If you break your arm, does it become evil?
You're trying to use the wrong scale. It's like saying: "On a scale of 1 to 10, there's no banana".
If you want to put a table somewhere between good and evil you'll have to explain how.

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Greatest I am
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Message 364 of 511 (772725)
11-18-2015 10:28 AM
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11-18-2015 7:34 AM


Bliyaal
The scale we are given in scriptures to work with is good at one end and evil at the other. Right?
The issue is an arm.
A sound one is good and a broken one is on the evil side of the scale.
What would you prefer to have and why?
You would always pick the good one and likely never choose the other which on this scale is evil.
If the issue is a table with a broken leg, the same logic would apply and all of us would choose the table with the best legs.
Regards
DL

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Bliyaal
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Message 365 of 511 (772728)
11-18-2015 10:43 AM
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11-18-2015 10:28 AM


Have you ever noticed that good or evil refers to actions or thoughts and not to inanimate objects?
Tables don't fit on your scale. They don't think, they don't act. You want them to fit on it to preserve your idea that tree of knowledge of good and evil = tree of knowledge. Why do you think the writers of the scriptures didn't stop at ..of knowledge? Why specify good and evil?
By your logic, they couln't eat the apple because they didn't know what an apple is.

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Greatest I am
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Message 366 of 511 (772731)
11-18-2015 10:50 AM
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11-18-2015 10:43 AM


Bliyaal
There was no apple so why are you deflecting?
You deflect because you cannot refute the logic of what I put.
Good and evil are judgement we make and apply to whatever we like.
A rock that is just the right height for sitting is quite good. That same rock falling off a cliff and heading for your head you would think quite evil.
Regards
DL

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Message 367 of 511 (772739)
11-18-2015 11:15 AM
Reply to: Message 359 by Greatest I am
11-17-2015 3:39 PM


Greatest I am writes:
On the scale of good and evil, there is no broken.
If there is indeed a "scale" of good and evil, there must be some place near the center that is a bit wishy-washy, a bit iffy, depending on the circumstances. A three-legged table may be "evil" if you're trying to balance fine china on it, but surely it's still "good" enough for firewood.

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Message 368 of 511 (772743)
11-18-2015 11:39 AM


Can anything other than people be morally good or evil?
So that this thread won't spend further time on this side issue I am ruling that the definition of good and evil in play in this thread is the one that concerns morality. Because only people can have morals, anything that isn't a person cannot be morally good or evil. In this thread.
Please, no replies to this message.

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Message 369 of 511 (772767)
11-18-2015 2:31 PM
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11-18-2015 11:15 AM


ringo
Well put.
Regards
DL

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Greatest I am
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Message 370 of 511 (772770)
11-18-2015 2:43 PM
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11-18-2015 11:39 AM


Re: Can anything other than people be morally good or evil?
Admin
No disrespect meant.
I only reply in the hope that you will laugh as much as I did when fetching something to correct you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePgC91kcmN0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZurINLlVds
Regards
DL
Edited by Greatest I am, : No reason given.

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Message 371 of 511 (772814)
11-19-2015 7:43 AM
Reply to: Message 370 by Greatest I am
11-18-2015 2:43 PM


Re: Can anything other than people be morally good or evil?
Does anyone here watch those You Tube videos? I don't.

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Message 372 of 511 (772815)
11-19-2015 7:49 AM
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11-19-2015 7:43 AM


Re: Can anything other than people be morally good or evil?
Pressie writes:
Does anyone here watch those You Tube videos? I don't.
Nary a one. But it's clear GIA watches too many.
You Tube is the new Boob Tube.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence

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Pressie
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Message 373 of 511 (772816)
11-19-2015 7:59 AM
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11-19-2015 7:49 AM


Re: Can anything other than people be morally good or evil?
But, Boob Tubes are sexy...

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ICANT
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Message 374 of 511 (772827)
11-19-2015 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 362 by NoNukes
11-17-2015 7:26 PM


Hi NoNukes,
NoNukes writes:
Dark energy is causing the universe to expand at ever increasing rates. Surely you are not trying to tell me that dark energy is holding the universe together.
No I am telling you that the Supernatural power supplied all the energy that is required to hold the universe together and that Supernatural power is what is causing the expansion of the universe.
How is dark energy causing the universe to expand?
Wouldn't that require dark energy to expand itself?
So what would cause it to expand? Can it increase in energy?
NoNukes writes:
What we call dark matter has a negligible effect on atoms. It does not help keep atoms together.
Just what is it that science call's dark matter?
Anyway you look at it there has to be something that supplies the energy to create the dark matter that is causing the expanding.
What is that source if it is not a supernatural power?
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 375 of 511 (772840)
11-19-2015 11:34 AM
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11-19-2015 7:43 AM


The Slow Grinding Cogs
Does anyone here watch those You Tube videos? I don't.
I do. Just to see (confirm) where the guy's head is at.
The ones immediately above show animals doing things that GIA would label as good as opposed to evil to counter Admin's ruling that those labels apply to humans, not inanimate objects. He had to find something, anything, to save his contention that a three-legged table is evil. So, for GIA, animals are inanimate objects, just like three-legged tables, that can demonstrate good v evil.
The thought process is interesting to me. He has to be right even if he has to go totally bonkers to prove it. Fail.
The ones in his OP on "Should Canada and the U.S. tolerate an intolerant Islam?"are also interesting for the insight into his mind. He had a Pat Buchanan video to support his contention that Muslims are evil religious bigots. When I pointed out that Buchanan is a top religious bigot himself GIA pulled it down and in its place put up a video of Charles Murray the even more bigoted "scientific" racist.
GIA seems to have a penchant for the opinions of bigots. Or, he just finds someone saying something he likes and doesn't bother to vet the source. Either way, the arguments he is trying to make fail under the weight of his errant sources.
For me, the way the mind seems to work, what intellect, if any, is behind the argument, is told not just in the words but in the evidence one tries to bring in for the argument's support. I know it's just me but i find such things fascinating. So, yeah, I watch the vids.
Edited by AZPaul3, : cleanup

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