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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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I believe that atrocities like this are bred from circumstances of despair and hopelessness and a sense of powerlessness. On the contrary. ISIS think they're going to win because God is on their side. A bit of despair and hopelessness and a sense of powerlessness would be just what the doctor ordered. But as we can't actually infect them with existential dread, I guess we'll just have to kill them.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Halt the immigration? Prudent??? But but but that would be racist!!!! That wouldn't be politically correct!!! No no no we must let more of them in. We must pretend these are truly refugees ... Y'know, I really think some of them are. 'Cos, y'know, there are many people who don't like being beheaded.
and give up everything for them .... You gave up everything for them? Well, that was very noble of you. Some might say excessive. I haven't given up anything.
... and pretend it's just a tiny minority of .... well somebody else I guess... that's doing the bombing. And the raping too that's going on all over Europe. Of course it's a tiny minority, Faith. That's just math. You count the number of Muslims blowing stuff up, you divide by the number of Muslims. This is not really arguable.
We must give up our own living spaces for them You've had to move out of your house so refugees could move in? I'm so sorry. Or when you say "living space", are you perhaps thinking of a slightly less personal and more abstract concept.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Hey keep your Muslims while they slaughter you. So, you've given up everything to help refugees, and Tangle is being slaughtered by Muslims. Seems like a lot of people I know are having a rough day.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
'Just wait' Islamic State reveals ... Claims. The word is claims. You know how they're bad people? I think they may occasionally tell fibs.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Some get the more "idealistic" views of jihad and think they are pleasing God by beheading "infidels" and that they are earning themselves a beautiful carnal paradise when they die by doing this service to "God." That's the more idealistic version?
The refugees are also Muslims, or most of them are, and they are mostly young men as Coyote pointed out. Why young men? Why not women and children? Why? Because of it being completely made up, that's why.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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And you have a head count? Can we know it please? The UNHCR has a headcount. Feel free to conduct your own. Let us know how you get on. Otherwise, stop making stuff up.
Would some pictures help? Here's one. Here's another.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Feel free to supply the lacuna with anything that isn't made up.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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To have seen no evidence of a problem with Islam is to be completely out of touch Phat. So you are unaware of the ongoing persecutions and murders of Christians in Africa and other Muslim areas? Sadly, we can't give any of them refuge in case they're Muslim terrorists. You can never be too careful.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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But, those who are coming to the west for refuge have an obligation too. They should not be trying to bomb and destroy, or hiding those who are, they should not be trying to impose their failed way of life on their new homes, they should respect the laws and customs of their new homes (think Sweden and rape), and they should not be ungrateful and demanding of free stuff, while giving nothing in return. Is that too much to ask? Evidently not.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Better avoid large crowds then... I'd advise going armed but you're deprived of that choice. It's a choice that hasn't particularly helped Americans avoid terrorist attacks. A good guy with a gun is not particularly effective against the detonation of a bomb. If everyone running the Boston Marathon had been armed, for example, it probably wouldn't have helped.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
The pattern we're actually seeing is that in no case has an armed populace been effective against a terrorist attack. Maybe if the terrorists ever decide to use small arms to attack a Walmart in Texas.
Curiously, the gun-lovers always tell us that if guns were banned than people would just use some other method of killing their enemies. The problems with this thesis are sufficiently obvious to occur to anyone who isn't a gun-lover. However, terrorists, who do not kill on impulse, do have plenty of time to choose their weapons, and if they ever contemplated a situation where using the wrong weapon would lead to them being shot by virtuous civilians, they could incorporate that into their planning and use another weapon. And this is in fact what has happened.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
It is not the Christian thing to do for governments to force their citizens to perform any kind of charity against their will. Fortunately since you're a good Christian it's not against your will, is it? ... is it?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I'm not responsible for somebody else's motives. As far as I'm concerned, killing people is killing people and it's hard to distinguish one killer from another. If you're going to bomb the bombers, you might as well have capital punishment too. There's also a moral distinction between capital punishment and the police shooting someone who's on a shooting spree.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
That's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about police going into the ghetto to shoot accused criminals without a trial. I think my metaphor works better. As Tangle points out, this isn't retributive, it's not like ISIS has stopped killing people and now we're dealing out rough justice. They're still going about killing people, it's a crime in progress, one long killing spree.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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They are indeed still killing people. Your "defensive" measures aren't working. Because we haven't shot them all yet. If a whole bunch of ... let us say white supremacists ... invade a shopping mall and start shooting, then at the point at which the police have taken down two of them and the rest are still shooting, do the police need to consider a different tactic such as holding up a sign saying "WE SURRENDER"? --- because they are still killing people, so the measures taken by the police aren't working? Look, I don't like this. I don't like war. But the fact is that if these people aren't stopped (and there is no way to stop them except by force, because carefully reasoned polite argument hasn't worked) then they will carry on. And in doing so, given their track record, they will make Pol Pot look like Mary Poppins. If you have a better idea, then this would be a great time to suggest it.
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