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RAZD Member (Idle past 1629 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Asteroid showers linked to mass extinctions, says study
quote: 83% correlation with largest meteor craters? Pretty significant. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Admin Director Posts: 13103 From: EvC Forum Joined: |
How did you want to approach this as a discussion topic?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1629 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
maybe Creation/Evolution Miscellany
On the creationist side, the next "correction" is supposed to be by fire ... (the God's Wrath part) On the evolutionist side the dating of the meteor craters and the correlation of them to extinction events that changed the course of life on earth, and that may even have bee critical for life forming on earth, forms an evidence based division into different chapters of the dialog of the natural history of the planet, one that is not over yet ... (the Comet Math part). A problem for the YEC crowd is all those craters and their dates\sequences correlating with the fossil record of extinctions instead on one flood conflation: why do the craters mark different chapters in the story of life on earth? Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Admin Director Posts: 13103 From: EvC Forum Joined: |
Thread copied here from the God's Wrath? or Comet Math ... thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
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ICANT Member (Idle past 252 days) Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: |
Hi RAZD,
RAZD writes: A problem for the YEC crowd is all those craters and their dates\sequences correlating with the fossil record of extinctions instead on one flood conflation: why do the craters mark different chapters in the story of life on earth? Well I don't have any such problem. A couple of years back I was asking about how all the material that created the oil got into the earth at the depths and under the pressure it is under. That pressure is over 20,000 psi. I suggested that the earth was much smaller in the past than it is today. I then proposed that the earth was covered with vegetation/animal life and when it was very dense that there would be meteor showers that covered that vegetation/life forms. After a period of accretion the earth would be covered with vegetation/life forms which would again be covered by meteor showers. This continued until there was enough vegetation/life forms covered by miles of rocks and overburden to produce the trillions of barrels of oil, natural gas, and coal in the earth. I can find no one who has expressed any idea how all the oil, gas, and coal reserves got to where it is today. Even YEC'S won't touch the discussion. AIG states that there was only enough vegetation to produce the soft coal we have today, which they believe was produced during the flood. I even gave the numbers for the amount of material needed. If my memory serves me correctly it take about 98,000 tons of material to make 1 gallon of oil. There is 42 gallons of oil in a barrel. We have consumed about a trillion barrels of oil and there is still at least 1.64 trillion barrels left. But that number increases as better extraction methods are discovered. There is also 7.02 quadrillion cf of gas reserves. Just to produce the oil would require 3,738,000 tons per barrel.2.64 trillion barrels would require 9.86832e+20 trillion tons of material. That does not include anything for the natural gas, and coal. Now when I first mentioned the earth was small and increased by accretion I got all kind of comments about my intelligence or lack thereof. Anyway I would like to hear more about the earth being enlarged by accretion. Added by edit:You can find the discussion of accretion in Message 137 There are several messages in that thread this is just one. Sorry about my time memory it was in 2011. God Bless, Edited by ICANT, : add link"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Pressie Member (Idle past 200 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Yes, you sure do. Most Gondwana coals are of Permian age. Indian, Australian, Southern African, South American...Unlike European, North American, Russian, Siberian, etc. coals. Those are Carboniferous in age.
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herebedragons Member (Idle past 1082 days) Posts: 1517 From: Michigan Joined: |
Wait....
All this happened in the last 6,000 years? How does this take into account the dectable differences in materials with a terrestrial origin and an extraterrestrial origin? That is, material that has it origins in outer space has a noticeably different composition than material that originates on earth. Meteors and comets crashing into earth creates sedimentary rock?-------------------------------------- This is just another example of YECs completely making stuff up with NO supporting evidence. Note: It seems to me you may not be a youth earther in the strictest sense but may be an old earth, recent creation of life (gap theory) proponent. But if you accept an ancient earth, why bother making stuff up about how oil and coal came to be formed? HBDWhoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca "Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem. Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 200 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
ICANT writes: Why were you asking that question? A couple of years back I was asking about how all the material that created the oil got into the earth at the depths and under the pressure it is under. Did you pretend to be an oil geologist or any form or a petrophysicist or anything like that? How much time have you spent on an oil rig? How much time have you spent on oil exploration? Any? Do you have any training in geology? In palaeontology? Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I can find no one who has expressed any idea how all the oil, gas, and coal reserves got to where it is today. Even YEC'S won't touch the discussion. What kind of argument is 'I could not find X'? Where did you look? If we want a YEC interpretation, what does Dr. Dino say about the origins of petroleum? I did a search for oil reserves origins and found plenty of science based ideas about where the oil reserves came from and how they got where they were.
After a period of accretion the earth would be covered with vegetation/life forms which would again be covered by meteor showers. Your proposal suggest that we should be able to find oil and gas just about anywhere. Does that conclusion reflect reality? Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Note: It seems to me you may not be a youth earther in the strictest sense but may be an old earth, recent creation of life (gap theory) proponent. But if you accept an ancient earth, why bother making stuff up about how oil and coal came to be formed? I think he is stuck with giving a young age for the plant life that became oil. According to the Bible, plant life and human life originated only a few of days apart. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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