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NoNukes
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Message 8 of 41 (770916)
10-15-2015 5:34 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Taq
10-15-2015 4:10 PM


Re: Rules for Tipping
If I have to go to a counter and order, no tip. If I call in the order and pick it up, no tip. If it's a buffet, no tip.
I do tip at a buffet if they do all the other things Taq listed else except take my food order and bring it. Do other people not do that?
I found out last week that I cannot stand it when the waiter hovers over me and my SO at a buffet restaurant. I almost blew off the tip that time.

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NoNukes
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Message 11 of 41 (770941)
10-16-2015 8:50 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by Percy
10-16-2015 8:31 AM


Re: Rules for Tipping
Sometimes I have problems figuring out whether to tip at a buffet. There's a Chinese buffet and an Indian buffet that we visit every so often, and at both they set the table, fill the water glasses and keep them filled, take our drink orders at the beginning, and take our desert orders at the end (no desert at the Chinese buffet).
I don't feel obligated to leave a large tip at the Chinese buffet.
I'm not sure all of your assumptions about restaurants are correct. The average for chains is something like half of what you've calculated. Maybe your guess at average table size and turn around time are off.
And in NC at least, the regular pay is something like $2.13 an hour.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 17 of 41 (770978)
10-16-2015 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Percy
10-16-2015 2:30 PM


Re: Rules for Tipping
At Yahoo Answers someone asked the question How many tables does a waitress take on an 8 hour shift and how much tips do they make per day?". The first answer offered the example of a Saturday night where in three hours he served 65 people, which is twice as many as my 9 tables of four in three hours.
You understand that this is a single anecdote, right? I'm sure that some waiters do make lots of money, and that an even larger number make uncharacterisitcally great tips on occasion.
I'd also bet that numbers like these are more representative of what people actually make:
Waiters and Waitresses
As an example, people making about 32K per year are in the 90th percentile of all waiters and waitresses.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 19 of 41 (770980)
10-16-2015 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by New Cat's Eye
10-16-2015 3:36 PM


Re: Rules for Tipping
The servers I know report about 10% of their tips.
Sure. So the servers you know are actually making $320,000 a year but reporting 32K?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 24 of 41 (770987)
10-16-2015 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by New Cat's Eye
10-16-2015 4:00 PM


Re: Rules for Tipping
But to your point, you can't really use how much money servers report that they are earning as being the best metric for how much money they are actually taking home.
I suppose not. I don't know how the reporting system works.
A couple of my wife sisters worked as waitresses at one of the more famous restaurants in my area back in the late 80s, and neither of them seemed to be living large at the time. I find it difficult to believe that they were raking in 80K or so. On the other hand, occasionally they got huge tips.
I know. Just a couple more anecdotes.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 27 of 41 (771017)
10-17-2015 12:11 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by Percy
10-16-2015 5:35 PM


Re: Rules for Tipping
If the amount of a tip doesn't provide feedback about the quality of service, what is it for?
The tip is to reward good service, but tipping is an inexact method of communication. Unless the waiter has some experience with me, the waiter cannot tell that the 15% gratuity I just left is less than I would normally leave. Even if I leave a smaller than traditional tip, the waiter might just think I'm cheap.
If you think the service is bad and you want to communicate that accurately, perhaps you should speak up.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 28 of 41 (771018)
10-17-2015 12:17 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by Theodoric
10-16-2015 11:25 PM


Re: Rules for Tipping
Claiming 10% of your tips wouldn't be real helpful. The employer is required to withhold 8% of all sales. So, your friends are getting dinged for 8% of all sales, so claiming 10% should be well below the mandated withholding. I think they may be telling you a story.
I don't understand your point. Could you explain?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 34 of 41 (771056)
10-18-2015 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by Percy
10-17-2015 8:31 AM


Re: Rules for Tipping
But wouldn't most servers recognize that there is more than just that one possibility that the customer is cheap?
Again, the communication is simply not exact because there is more than one reason why you get a smaller than expected tip. The fact that some other waiter got a big tip from someone else really does not speak directly to the smaller tip you gave, does it?
Or did you mean having a conversation with the server about the tip at the end of the meal? If so, that would feel pretty weird.
Not a conversation about the tip, but about the service. If you tell the waiter the service was no good, then he's more likely to get the message sent by the bad tip. But trying to send the message with the tip alone can easily result in a missed message.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 36 of 41 (771062)
10-19-2015 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by Percy
10-16-2015 4:09 PM


Re: Rules for Tipping
Oh, I didn't realize you were getting off into general table waiting. That wasn't what I was wondering about. I said I thought waiting tables at places like TGI Friday's, Longhorn's, Applebee's, etc., seemed pretty lucrative and was wondering if that was true.
I took a look at some salary information on Glassdoor. The information may not be reliable because there were not very many participants, but the average TGI friday waiter salary was 25k. Applebees was about 20K while Longhorn was about 27K. I am sure that waiters at some restaurants make tips several times those cited below, but perhaps the information below is better than anecdotal.
TGI Fridays Waiter Salaries | Glassdoor
Applebee s Waiter Salaries | Glassdoor
LongHorn Steakhouse Server Salaries | Glassdoor
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 37 of 41 (771063)
10-19-2015 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by Percy
10-19-2015 8:16 AM


Re: Rules for Tipping
Gee, why does that sound so familiar? Oh, because I just finished saying almost the same thing in the message you're replying to:
I was answering your question about whether the server would get the message by comparing his tips to his fellow waiters etc. The answer is 'not necessarily'.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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