Is it time to consider compulsory vaccinations?

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Yes I see on rereading it that I got it wrong. In the film the Geiers say all 22 died though.

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The Geiers ? The "loony anti-vaxers" ? Message 872 And you trusted them ? Shouldn't their appearance in the film be a reason to distrust it ?

jar raises a finger to note: no shit, man.

Again I ask what good is it to look at fatalities for terminal patients, like I did in Message 869? These patients were on Death's Door and many of them died. Many the next day. Why not try an experiment process to see if it would work? Well - it did not. But look at jar's post in Message 912..Steve McQueen was killed by Laetril??? C'mon. Get real.

One of my school mates was diagnosed with meningitis just a few months ago. Three days later he was dead.

The seven who died within a day of being injected with the Thimerosal can't be the only ones of that experimental group of 22 who died, simply because the total number of those with meningitis who died was 92 out of 144, or about two thirds, and if only seven or about one third of the subgroup tested with Thimerosal died that would have been a great success for the experiment which would have been loudly reported. I already argued this. It's obvious.Therefore at LEAST the same percentage of the subgroup must have died, some fourteen or fifteen, but the way the participants are reported there is absolutely no way to tell which those would have been. I would suspect that if the percentage was roughly the same in the subgroup as the overall group they would have mentioned it, because that would show that the Thimerosal didn't have negative effects.THEREFORE, the very best guess is that they all died, proving that the Thimerosal did have negative effects, and that's why they are so vague about it all.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Faith conjectures: No, the best guess is that the cases were so far gone that they died of meningitis.Read that column "No ill effects".

There is no hint that the people chosen for the injection were any sicker of meningitis than any of the others.

Who says they were all TERMINALLY ill? Two thirds of the total meningitis group died, but a third survived it. The question is only how many of the subgroup given Thimerosal lived or died.As I already said, it may be that some died of the disease, but some certainly died of the Thimerosal, especially if a greater percentage of that group died than died in the total meningitis population.

FaithI don't anticipate arguing with you on this topic any further. But in an attempt to be helpful, I suggest that you look up the expected prognosis for adults with a severe case of bacterial meningitis.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

It's your job to supply information, not tell someone else to get it.There were nine adults among the 22 given Thimerosal, counting two nineteen-year-olds. Five of them were among the seven who died one day after receiving it, the other two of that seven were aged fifteen and seven.abe: Of the remaining fifteen, only four were adults, eleven children. /abeWhat's your point?I suggest you keep your advice to yourself if you aren't going to bother to pay attention to the topic.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The best guess, rather than the guess convenient to Faith, supported by her usual hate and prejudice is that the survival rate for those treated with Thimerosal is about the same as the rest of the group. The long follow-up times support this. (Interestingly follow-ups stop after 40 days for several patients 5, IIRC which further supports this idea)

And the answer should not be supplied by making stuff up.

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Nearly 9 million U.S. children are not fully vaccinated against measles and risk getting infected, researchers say in a new report. And unvaccinated U.S. travelers could carry the virus back home with them to infect others.

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Two reports released this week measure the gaps in measles vaccine coverage and show how an outbreak like the Disneyland outbreak, in which around 150 people got infected, can happen.

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"If the virus is introduced, there is the potential for large outbreaks," said Robert Bednarczyk of Emory University, who led the work on the study.

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"This is because there are clusters of unvaccinated children in some communities, which could allow a large outbreak to occur with spread to similar communities."

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Bednarczyk and colleagues used the National Immunization Survey to calculate that 12.5 percent of all U.S. children, or 8.7 million kids, are either unvaccinated or not fully vaccinated against measles. Almost a quarter of kids 3 years old or younger are undervaccinated, they found.

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Measles was eliminated in the U.S. in 2000, but a few imported cases come in every year. These can spread if people are not fully immunized. Globally, there are around 20 million cases and more than 145,000 children die of measles every year.

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More than half the known U.S. importations of measles come not from foreign visitors, but from unvaccinated or undervaccinated U.S. travelers bringing the virus back, she said.
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"Measles is one of the most contagious diseases in the world and even brief exposure can lead to infection," Hyle added.

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An effective measles vaccination rate in the U.S. of 87.5 %; a highly contagious disease for which the herd immunity threshold is 92-95%.Wait for it.

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Despite the science, organizations involved in the anti-vaccine movement still hope to find some evidence that vaccines threaten children’s health. For example, the autism advocacy organization SafeMinds recently funded research it hoped would prove vaccines cause autism in children. But this effort appears to have backfired for the organizationwhose mission is to raise awareness about how certain environmental exposures may be linked to autismsince the study SafeMinds supported showed a link between autism and vaccines does not exist.

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Anti-Vaxxers Accidentally Fund a Study Showing No Link Between Autism and Vaccines

Your subtitle is exactly what I had in mind.I started this thread in September 2014 based on a newspaper report about alarmingly low immunization rates in California; the California Disney measles outbreak was reported a few months later in December 2014. Sometimes the predictive power of science feels grim in the hand.Like then, we know what we have now: inadequate levels of immunity. Nationally.Everything else is just timing.