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Author Topic:   Creation vs. Evolution is not a valid opposition.
Loudmouth
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Message 13 of 54 (77020)
01-07-2004 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Mammuthus
01-07-2004 6:22 AM


Re: Es lo que es, hay lo que hay
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This process may not operate under the same mechanisms nor the same constraints as the subsequent evolution of novel replicators. There could have been multiple independent abiogenesis events all rather different from one another which subsequent evolution has erased via selection. Each of the false starts would still be successful abiogenesis events even if their fitness was 0 and they became extinct after a single round of replication. If one could actually get abiogenesis to work in the lab, it may not represent the abiogenesis that occurred billions of years ago.
This is the major problem found when peering into the past of biochemical life, molecules do not leave fossils. Even if we could create replicators from chemicals, we still can't claim that is how life started here on Earth. However, the fact that living animals left fossils puts evolution on much firmer footing, both as a theory and as fact (organisms have changed over time). Maybe pushing abiogenesis to the forefront is a tactic to show science's lack of knowledge in order to insert a diety, even if it is somewhat unrelated to the science in question (ie evolution). The fact that scientists say "we don't know with certainty how life started" speaks loudly of their integrity, unlike those who fall on blind faith and state with certainty things which are not founded in evidence.

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Loudmouth
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Message 25 of 54 (90531)
03-05-2004 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by 1.61803
03-05-2004 11:43 AM


Re: You have a point?
Don't forget appeals to emotion, the evil atheist conspiracy, and the eugenics movement. Somehow not wanting to have a common ancestor with apes is evidence enough to discount the theory of evolution. Oh, and evilutionists only use the theory to escape God's judgement. Somehow ignoring the Koran is not considered escaping from Islamic laws, but we will let that slide for now.
It seems that when the evidence starts to stack up against young earth creationism, the creationist will always fall back on non-scientific arguments. Funny how that happens.

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Loudmouth
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Message 40 of 54 (90592)
03-05-2004 3:38 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by FreeThinker
03-05-2004 3:17 PM


Re: You have a point?
Freethinker,
Abiogenesis (the beginning of life) and evolution (the speciation and diversity of life) are two different theories. If you want to just argue about abiogenesis, then fine, but do not confuse the two theories. Afterall, Darwing wrote "The Origin of Species" not "The Origin of Life." Evolutionary theories start with the first life form, everything prior to this is not covered by evolutionary theories.
A quick analogy. In a 100 meter dash, do you time how long it takes the runners to get to the starting line, or do you time how long it takes to get from the starting line to the finish line? Abiogenesis is how the runners got to the starting line, evolution covers what happens between the starting line and the finish line.

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