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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 608 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
Neither one of you is NoNukes
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9003 From: Canada Joined:
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What difference does it make who wrote something? If NoNukes agrees and copies what others have written will that make a difference to you?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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You do realize that this is an open forum, don't you. Grow a pair and address the answers that were given to you. If you cannot or will not then move along
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3986 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.1
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Theodoric writes: You do realize that this is an open forum, don't you. Grow a pair and address the answers that were given to you. If you cannot or will not then move along I wonder if he'd leave his kid in a closed car on a sunny day, then demand a coherent thermodyamic definition from the police. Or maybe he needs a coherent thermodynamic definition before he kicks off the blanket on a steamy night? Then again, I'm no NoNukes. Edited by Omnivorous, : explanation->definition"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads." Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.-Terence
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Can you give me a thermodynamic definition of the greenhouse effect? Yes I can do that. The greenhouse effect is not in any way controversial. The greenhouse effect is the reason why temperatures on earth are moderate. Absent the effect the earth would be too cold to live on. Generally the earth receives heat from the sun via radiation of all frequencies and loses heat primarily by radiation of infra red energy. The frequency based asymmetry difference occurs because of the far lower temperature of the earth. You may have observed for yourself that lower temperature radiating bodies give off a redder radiation than do higher temperature bodies. It is also the case that radiative heat transfer is proportional (roughly) to the fourth power of the absolute temperature. The greenhouse effect is an asymmetry that allows a substance in the atmosphere to decrease the rate of heat transfer from the earth by a larger amount than the substance decreases the energy transfer to the earth. Accordingly the balance between heat out and energy in occurs at a higher earth temperature that it would without the effect. This observed effect is named after the effect of glass in a greenhouse because glass allows much of the sun's radiated solar energy to pass through freely but is more resistant to infra-red radiation that is re-radiated by surfaces within the greenhouse. So that's the thermodynamic definition and there is no doubt1) that the effect itself is real and that it occurs on earth. In fact we could not live on earth without the effect. 2) that gases such as methane and carbon dioxide can produce the effect 3) that the answer to your question can be found in any dictionary worth looking at. Why in the world you think that either I or real climate scientists are this particular kind of idiot is an idea I find hard to take seriously. I expect that kind of stuff from ICANT, but you ought to know better. Haven't you had a heat/light/sound type of physics course already if not a full blown thermodynamics course? Find some other point of denial. The one you've chosen is hilarious. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Then again, I'm no NoNukes. Thank your lucky stars that you aren't NoNukes. I have the reputation of being some kind of a physics idiot, so perhaps it will turn out that not only don't I know the definition of greenhouse effect, but I also won't look at wikipedia before answering the question. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3986 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.1 |
NoNukes writes: Then again, I'm no NoNukes. Thank your lucky stars that you aren't NoNukes. Nope. I see your tag on a post as a seal of quality. But I had to poke his pout, and I couldn't resist the chance to say "no NoNukes". "If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads." Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.-Terence
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3986 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.1 |
Duplicate post.
Edited by Omnivorous, : No reason given."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads." Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.-Terence
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8551 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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I have the reputation of being some kind of a physics idiot... Hey, me too! I'm so bad at GR (How bad are you? Well I'll tell ya.) I'm so bad at GR that when I sit in my chair I have to strap myself in to keep from floating away! I don't know how many times I've been knocked on my knoggin by that damn ceiling fan. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 194 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
It might be worthwhile mentioning that, although we do receive radiation of a wide variety of wavelengths from the Sun, there are wavelengths of which we receive much more than others. These are the wavelengths to which our eyes respond. Coincidence, no doubt.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
and I though it was the medical maryjane.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
... there are wavelengths of which we receive much more than others. These are the wavelengths to which our eyes respond. Coincidence, no doubt. No doubt at all, nor is that any reason for chlorophyll to appear green ... oops Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Polling scientists on climate change | National Center for Science Education
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petrophysics1 Inactive Member |
Foreveryoung,
Nothing like having the perspective of the last 600 million years in relation to climate as opposed to looking at the last 150 years with blinders on. So using the Vostek ice core data no one here can show/prove a relationship between CO2 and the Earth's temperature. The Earth's main greenhouse gas is water vapor responsible for 97% of the greenhouse gas effect (the EPA says 95%). But there is no easy way to tax water vapor. That is not the case with CO2, as there are many ways this can be taxed. As Michael Faraday replied to a MP who asked what good is this knowledge, Mike responded "You may be able to figure out a way to tax it" or something along those lines. This CO2, AGW thing is just a way to tax people..............so loved by the big government types.
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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The Earth's main greenhouse gas is water vapor responsible for 97% of the greenhouse gas effect (the EPA says 95%). But there is no easy way to tax water vapor. It would be asinine to try to avoid AGW by trying to control the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere. The fact that we have oceans and a water cycle makes that impossible. Man has essentially no effect on the average amount of water in the atmosphere; the amount of moisture in the atmosphere cycles up and down on a relatively short cycle. What we see here is a conspiracy theory based on a pretty silly idea that has absolutely no science behind it. The fact that water vapor plays a large role in the green house effect does not prevent methane and CO2 from being gasses worthy and even appropriate targets for reduction. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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