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ScottRP
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Message 1246 of 1310 (769738)
09-24-2015 12:12 PM
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09-24-2015 3:56 AM


AZPaul3 writes:
I can understand someone like you, who believes in fairies.
I do not believe in fairies. You just make this stuff up as you go along.
AZPaul3 writes:
No aliens.
You are so far from the truth.

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ringo
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Message 1247 of 1310 (769739)
09-24-2015 12:24 PM
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09-24-2015 12:12 PM


ScottRP writes:
I do not believe in fairies.
There's no real difference between spirits and fairies.

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Bliyaal
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Message 1248 of 1310 (769740)
09-24-2015 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1245 by ScottRP
09-24-2015 11:27 AM


Scripture and biblical artwork are necessary sources of information used to understand and identify the Holy Spirit and chariots of God. Necessary sources of information should not be discounted in any argument.
Only if they're shown to reflect the truth and are reliable. The bible doesn't make the cut in those categories.
With your prefered version of the bible discounted, we're left only with your claims and your gullibility. You swallow everything that could maybe help your argument without checking the sources.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 1249 of 1310 (769744)
09-24-2015 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1247 by ringo
09-24-2015 12:24 PM


There's no real difference between spirits and fairies.
Wait a minute, fairies all have dragonfly-like wings and spirits don't. Everybody knows that. I have seen actual drawings.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Omnivorous
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Message 1250 of 1310 (769757)
09-24-2015 3:19 PM
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09-24-2015 12:24 PM


ringo writes:
There's no real difference between spirits and fairies.
Fairies are English; spirits are Continental.
Ask them to say Gloucester.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence

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jar
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Message 1251 of 1310 (769765)
09-24-2015 4:17 PM
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09-24-2015 1:38 PM


Fairies have Butterfly-like wings

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Tanypteryx
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Message 1252 of 1310 (769767)
09-24-2015 4:46 PM
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09-24-2015 4:17 PM


Re: Fairies have Butterfly-like wings
Shamefully photoshopped.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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jar
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Message 1253 of 1310 (769770)
09-24-2015 5:55 PM
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09-24-2015 4:46 PM


Re: Fairies have Butterfly-like wings
Since the photos were taken back in 1917 I seriously doubt they were Photoshopped and if you can't believe Elsie and Frances who could you believe.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Tanypteryx
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Message 1254 of 1310 (769771)
09-24-2015 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1253 by jar
09-24-2015 5:55 PM


Re: Fairies have Butterfly-like wings
Since the photos were taken back in 1917 I seriously doubt they were Photoshopped and if you can't believe Elsie and Frances who could you believe.
This is clearly evidence of the digital photography time travel conspiracy (DPTTC).

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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AZPaul3
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Message 1255 of 1310 (769772)
09-24-2015 8:28 PM
Reply to: Message 1246 by ScottRP
09-24-2015 12:12 PM


What aliens?
AZPaul3 writes:
No aliens.
You are so far from the truth.
So show me.
Not another one of the hoaxes, please. You already tried that. Doesn't work in these parts. Check your sources.
Show me the reality of aliens. Not lights in the sky. Not someone's speculations. Not anecdotes.
Make your case. Support your claims. Show me actual aliens.
FYI. All of these are known hoaxes. Alien Hoaxs
Edited by AZPaul3, : added hoax site

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ScottRP
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Message 1256 of 1310 (769785)
09-24-2015 10:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1248 by Bliyaal
09-24-2015 12:37 PM


Bliyaal writes:
Only if they're shown to reflect the truth and are reliable. The bible doesn't make the cut in those categories.
Biblical Historians would disagree with you. I suppose you are claiming to know more than them.
Bliyaal writes:
With your prefered version of the bible discounted, we're left only with your claims and your gullibility.
I quoted from the NKJV Bible and not my prefered version of the Bible. It is not possible for you to identify the Holy Spirit and some of His works without biblical artwork and scripture. This is ridiculous. I would suggest that you not wait for evidence when you are incapable of seeing the very evidence before you.
Bliyaal writes:
You swallow everything that could maybe help your argument without checking the sources.
It is you who swallows everything that supports your denial of the truth.
Edited by ScottRP, : No reason given.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 1257 of 1310 (769787)
09-24-2015 11:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1256 by ScottRP
09-24-2015 10:30 PM


It is not possible for you to identify the Holy Spirit and some of His works without biblical artwork and scripture.
There's scripture that says the Holy Spirit came in the bodily form of a dove.
And there's biblical artwork showing the Holy Spirit appearing looking exactly like an actual bird that is know of as the dove.
Just do a google image search for the "baptism of Jesus", you'll get stuff like this:
click to enlarge
And yet you still speak for God and say that the Holy Spirit wouldn't become an actual dove.
That's because you're a charlatan. You're plainly wrong about things that you demand are right. So you're even bad at being a charlatan.
Your hoax is up. You have zero credibility and you're convincing no one.
Added by edit:
So, you're using Biblical Artwork as some form of "evidence". Consider that in the picture above, not only is the dove there, but there are also halos.
So if the halo is the Chariot of God for the Holy Spirit, and the dove is the Holy Spirit in bodily form, are you going to say that it is appearing in two different forms simultaneously in the picture?
Would you have any scripture support for something like that?
Otherwise, doesn't this bring your whole analysis into question?
Edited by Cat Sci, : No reason given.

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Bliyaal
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From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada
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Message 1258 of 1310 (769806)
09-25-2015 7:55 AM
Reply to: Message 1256 by ScottRP
09-24-2015 10:30 PM


Biblical Historians would disagree with you. I suppose you are claiming to know more than them.
Ok, here's a book saying there's a god. What's the evidence outside of it? Nothing. You're saying it's true because it says it's true. There's also a lot of wrong things in it. Not reliable.
It is not possible for you to identify the Holy Spirit and some of His works without biblical artwork and scripture. This is ridiculous.
Since the bible isn't reliable, I'll dismiss your claims about the Holy Spirit. It's based on an unreliable source like yours claims about aliens.
It is you who swallows everything that supports your denial of the truth.
How can I deny something that you haven't shown to be true in the first place? Everyone here, even very religious people think you're gullible, a fraud, deluded, mentaly ill or possessed by demons. We tried very hard and for a very long time now to show you but you're in complete denial. You even admitted that you're not open to the smallest possibility of being wrong!

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arachnophilia
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Message 1259 of 1310 (769815)
09-25-2015 10:20 AM
Reply to: Message 1256 by ScottRP
09-24-2015 10:30 PM


Bliyaal writes:
Only if they're shown to reflect the truth and are reliable. The bible doesn't make the cut in those categories.
ScottRP writes:
Biblical Historians would disagree with you.
so, this is another subject i happen to know a lot about.
the bible, on the whole, is extremely unreliable on historical matters. most of the text was written around the babylonian exile, based on internal clues like anachronisms, and the historical content gets a bit more reliable around that time (that is, we can confirm it from other sources and archaeology). prior to that, the narrative actually conflicts with known history and archaeology fairly frequently, and further back we have narratives that are literally impossible given what we know of the origin of the israelites and their relationship to canaanites.
for instance, here's a favorite picture to show in these discussions:
this is jehu, son of omri, bowing down before shalmanessar 3 as depicted on his black obelisk. it appears that the bible is somewhat correct, and jehu broke the northern canaanite non-aggression pact established by the previous king, ahab, and his marriage to jezebaal, and this resulted in his failure to keep back the invading assyrian army (without the help of the other canaanite city-states).
this story, however, is not in the bible. it runs against the ideological bias: when israel when yahweh-only, they were crushed as a direct result. yahweh was bad for israel. in fact, the bible specifically denies that jehu is an omridite king -- i'll even give it the benefit of the doubt there, and assume that shalmanessar just wasn't keeping up with the family tree and assumed this king was from the same house even though he may not have been. but this is literally the only historical record we have of jehu. that's it.
every bit of biblical history and archaeology is like this: we'll dig something that confirms some small part, but totally destroys the biblical narrative in the process. so we'll find something phenomenal, like the earliest record of israel, on the merneptah stele, some 200 years before the kingdom is thought to have existed.
but then it turns out that they're just listed among canaanites, as a minor tribe:
quote:
While Ashkelon, Gezer and Yanoam are given the determinative for a city — a throw stick plus three mountains — the hieroglyphs that refer to Israel instead employ the throw stick (the determinative for "foreign") plus a sitting man and woman (the determinative for "people") over three vertical lines (a plural marker):
According to The Oxford History of the biblical World, this "foreign people" "sign is typically used by the Egyptians to signify nomadic groups or peoples, without a fixed city-state home, thus implying a seminomadic or rural status for 'Israel' at that time."
Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia
and worse still, this is within decades of when the exodus was supposed to have occurred -- not only is this event not described in the bible, but the picture it draws of what israel looked like at the time rather conflicts with the biblical picture.
I suppose you are claiming to know more than them.
well, actually ask some biblical historians. i mean, at an accredited university, not at your local store-front fundie church. actual scholars working in the field of biblical studies, history and archaeology. you will find that the overwhelming consensus is that, no, the bible is not reliable on the whole when it comes to history.

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arachnophilia
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Message 1260 of 1310 (769817)
09-25-2015 10:31 AM
Reply to: Message 1254 by Tanypteryx
09-24-2015 6:04 PM


Re: Fairies have Butterfly-like wings
Tanypteryx writes:
This is clearly evidence of the digital photography time travel conspiracy (DPTTC).
i believe this all happened about two years before you joined, so i don't know if this is an intentional reference. but we've had debates like this before.
EvC Forum: A modern object described in ancient texts negates Creation Myth

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