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marc9000
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Message 391 of 860 (768044)
09-05-2015 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 387 by Faith
09-03-2015 10:52 PM


Thanks of course for the compliment but I'm with Marc on this one.
Thank you, I hope you'll keep posting here - you're well on your way to achieving "Buzsaw" martyrdom!

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Message 392 of 860 (768045)
09-05-2015 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 390 by marc9000
09-05-2015 9:31 AM


Re: forum rules
marc9000 writes:
But I don't understand his belief that a solution to the breaking of one forum rule is to allow another forum rule to be broken to counteract it.
The moderator in question doesn't understand this belief, either, since it isn't one he holds, and it certainly isn't what he said in reply to you in Message 17 of the Evolution. We Have The Fossils. We Win. thread.

--Percy
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ringo
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Message 393 of 860 (768050)
09-05-2015 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 389 by marc9000
09-05-2015 9:23 AM


marc9000 writes:
Pure naturalism has no advantages with "evidence" when it comes to worldviews.
So you're suggesting that worldviews are just empty opinion and all equivalent?

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Tanypteryx
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Message 394 of 860 (768059)
09-05-2015 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 389 by marc9000
09-05-2015 9:23 AM


marc9000 writes:
Science isn't the only source of knowledge.
Can you list some other sources of knowledge and how that knowledge is gained?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 395 of 860 (768066)
09-05-2015 2:49 PM
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09-05-2015 9:43 AM


Re: forum rules
What's even stranger is that the idea Marc (incorrectly) complains of is very like his preferred method of dealing with First Amendment violations.

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marc9000
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Message 396 of 860 (768074)
09-05-2015 7:53 PM
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09-05-2015 12:49 PM


Can you list some other sources of knowledge and how that knowledge is gained?
I don't think this is the proper forum for that discussion. If you, maybe Ringo, maybe a dozen others want to start a thread on that, maybe I'll respond.

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vimesey
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Message 397 of 860 (768083)
09-06-2015 2:38 PM
Reply to: Message 389 by marc9000
09-05-2015 9:23 AM


Science isn't the only source of knowledge.
Well, etymologically speaking, it is by definition.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Coyote
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Message 398 of 860 (769175)
09-17-2015 12:04 AM


Requested features
Two features that may be useful for this board are the ability to totally block posts from a particular poster, or to selectively block a particular thread--to make either of them "as if they never happened."
I can think of some practical applications for these features...

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Message 399 of 860 (769176)
09-17-2015 12:10 AM
Reply to: Message 398 by Coyote
09-17-2015 12:04 AM


Re: Requested features
Two features that may be useful for this board are the ability to totally block posts from a particular poster, or to selectively block a particular thread--to make either of them "as if they never happened."
I can already do that. I don't read posts from some posters and I don't open threads that I don't want to see.
I can think of some practical applications for these features...
Blinding yourself so that you don't have to resist temptation?
Don't get me wrong: blocking features are nice to have.

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AZPaul3
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Message 400 of 860 (769717)
09-24-2015 7:41 AM


Google Translate?
A new language is a good thing except when no one else on the planet uses it.

  
Faith 
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Message 401 of 860 (770876)
10-15-2015 4:47 AM


End of Evolution usual gangster attack
OK, Percy, you said to bring my complaints here about bad faith debating on my latest End of Evolution thread. There shouldn't be any need to be specific, the problems are all over the thread starting in the first few posts by Coyote and Tanypteryx and Ringo who all attack me personally instead of dealing with the argument.
The latest offenses are Dr. A's latest few personal attacks in the 90s and 101, and Coyote's again, and RAZD has contributed his own personal attacks too, and PaulK as well although at least they usually say something about the argument at the same time. What they say I've already answered a million times. I thought I might get back to RAZD's lengthy posts but the thread is out of control now and I probably wouldn't be able to anyway.
You have given support to them instead of to me, to Blue Jay and PaulK and NoNukes for instance after I had objected to their posts, so I have no reason to expect you to be any more fair here, but at least this will be a formal complaint on the record. I really don't want a response since I know you are incapable of objectivity and neutrality toward my point of view. This has been evident over the last few threads where I've tried to defend this argument.
The argument I'm making is a good one, sorry but the attacks on it just show nobody's getting it and not for any fault of mine either, and that's a fact you will never even consider might really be the case, so again this is just for the record, and again I don't expect fairness. As I've kept saying on the thread, nobody is even trying to get it, nobody will consider seriously what I'm saying and yet everybody says oh we get it. Sorry they don't and you don't and you aren't really trying.
Thank you for your attention to this nevertheless.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : change "objectively" to "objectivity"

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Message 402 of 860 (770892)
10-15-2015 10:20 AM
Reply to: Message 401 by Faith
10-15-2015 4:47 AM


Re: End of Evolution usual gangster attack
Hi Faith,
Just for the sake of discussion let's say I agree with you that people don't understand what you're saying. How are you going to help them understand? By repeating the exact same explanations again and again? By telling them they don't get it? By declaring their arguments wrong or irrelevant? Seriously?
Your new thread, A New Run at the End of Evolution by Genetic Processes Argument, drew negative responses right out of the gate because it repeated arguments you've made before as if they hadn't already been discussed innumerable times in past threads. You knew what the rebuttals would be when you wrote Message 1 of that thread because you'd seen them in past threads, and you knew that people didn't see your prior responses as addressing any of the problems raised. When somebody did address everything you said, as RAZD did in great detail in his Message 49 of the current thread, you never replied. He's referred you to that message many times, and you have yet to respond to his detailed rebuttal.
In your new thread you're using the same techniques you displayed in past threads to avoid discussion. You repeat the original arguments unchanged over and over again as if no one had made counterarguments, you declare you've already explained it or proved it, you tell people they're not getting it, you engage in a great deal of topic avoidance and ad hominem, but you never actually address the rebuttals. People have pointed out some very serious and fundamental problems in your ideas, and all they're asking is that you resolve those problems. They're not asking any more of you than they do of each other when discussing outside topics where they have many disagreements among themselves, for instance in the Gun Control Again thread or the More on Diet and Carbohydrates thread.
It would make no sense for a moderator to demand that other participants ignore all the open questions that you're working hard to avoid addressing. You make it impossible for any admin to moderate in your favor with this kind of behavior.
Stick to the facts and address the responses and the rest will take care of itself.

--Percy
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Faith 
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Message 403 of 860 (770894)
10-15-2015 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 402 by Admin
10-15-2015 10:20 AM


Re: End of Evolution usual gangster attack
I know you can't see it any other way but I'm not avoiding anything. And yes, I do expect that eventually someone might actually think about the argument instead of always having the same dismissive reaction. And yes I do think you should require that of them. Yes. And at the very least a moderator should enforce the rules about hit and run personal attack posts. It's really unconscionable that you won't do that.
The argument has never been understood or properly addressed. For that to happen people would have to do as I ask them to do, think about it beyond their usual level. They won't, I know that, but they should/
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 404 of 860 (770896)
10-15-2015 11:52 AM
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10-15-2015 11:29 AM


Re: End of Evolution usual gangster attack
Okay, Faith. Until you can find some common ground with board moderation I'd like to request that you refrain from posting to the discussion threads for now.

--Percy
EvC Forum Director

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Faith 
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Message 405 of 860 (770897)
10-15-2015 12:09 PM
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10-15-2015 11:52 AM


Re: End of Evolution usual gangster attack
Right. Punish the victim. Great.

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