Tentativity and The Bible

So, the OP says (and Paul says) that we should test all things. How do you test that the Bible was communicated by the Creator Himself? Remember that you can't use what you're testing as the standard for the test, so your test has to be outside the Bible.How do you test whether there even IS a Creator?

Try this RingoStudy and learn the Lord's prophetic word and then test it against recorded historyYou will find that the congruence is 100% accurateAll prophecy in the Bible is given in advance .... and then always comes to pass exactly as writtenThe prophets lived at different times and in different places, and yet they all see the very same thingsThere is no way that their projections could just be coincidentalSo their inspirations must be coming from one source [2 Peter 1:16-21]Give it a tryIt worked for me .... and I am a big skeptic and a realistIt is essential for a skeptic to discover that the Bible is what it claims to be, the rest is a matter of seeking the balanceI have no affiliation with any organizational religion and never have .... so if I can do this .... you canEdited by Straightshot, : No reason given.Edited by Straightshot, : No reason given.

Actually, I won't. Ezekiel's prophecy against Tyre is an example that comes to mind:

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Ezekiel 26:14 And I will make thee like the top of a rock: thou shalt be a place to spread nets upon; thou shalt be built no more: for I the Lord have spoken it, saith the Lord God.

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It was rebuilt. Prophecy failed.

ringoI don't have to prove anything to you, but understand that the Lord knows the ending of the beginning of all things in advanceBoth Nebuchadnezzar and Alexander the great attacked Tyre [the original coastal island city] .... and it is this Tyre that is no morehttp://www.padfield.com/1994/tyre.htmlAlso understand that when the Lord brings destruction to a city or nation, the destruction comes to the people of the day .... but this does not mean that future cities will not be built later on the same topographyThe fact is that Tyre was destroyed just as Ezekiel projectedCities have been built on the top of other previous cities in the Middle East for centuries .... the are called telsInstead of reconstructing and repairing the original city, the same locations are then used to build another on the top of the tel .... but the original city is not reconstructedSo when the Lord brings destruction upon a people and their city He does it .... what is built again is another matterHere is another exampleThe Lord brought the Assyrians against the ancient city of Damascus in Syria [Isaiah 17:1]So for the people of the day their city was completely destroyed into a ruinous heap .... Damascus no longer existedHowever, the city was later re-builtThe point is that the Lord gives His prophets advanced warning that judgment is coming because the people of the city or a nation have brought it upon themselves by their behavior which is unacceptable to the LordSo He sets out to destroy their cultural environment of the intransigent populations living there at the timeWhen a Bible prophet makes a dire prediction against a city or nation that refuses to repent and turn to God it will come to pass .... this is the way of the Lord, and He can and will make good on His intentsThe early Island nation of Tyre was warned and when the Lord's warning by His prophet was ignored, the Lord brought the destruction as promisedHere is an example of a future and similar event that is coming [Revelation 8:6-12; 14:8; 17:16-18; 18]Evidence bears truth .... the predictions of His prophets always come to pass .... and the same for future events will come to pass just as writtenBecause of this one can know that the Lord is in control of His creation and that His Word recorded in the scriptures of the Bible is true .... all of it .... from cover to cover Edited by Straightshot, : No reason given.Edited by Straightshot, : No reason given.Edited by Straightshot, : No reason given.

"I will make you a bare rock, and you will become a place to spread fishnets. You will never be rebuilt, for I the LORD have spoken, declares the Sovereign LORD." --- Ezekiel 26:14. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

When the Lord warns and tells of things to come related to the destruction of a people and their city or nation because of their intransigent behavior it will always come to pass .... and the evidence is always proven by the historical recordThis does not mean that He erred just because another later human effort to build again in the same location takes placeHis will is always accomplished in all that He sets out to do .... no doubtHe knows the ending from the beginning of all things Edited by Straightshot, : No reason given.

So "you will never be rebuilt" means "well, yeah, you will be rebuilt" in God-speak? That's pretty odd to the rest of us.

I see that your rating doesn't look very high CoragypsWhere is Snyder, Texas?I do know what your problem is .... most people have itHere is what you need to do .... and if you do, then you will be able to discern the Lord's prophetic proseIf you don't, you will never get itJohn
3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.3:9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?3:10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?3:11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.Edited by Straightshot, : No reason given.

If someone says that a city will never be rebuilt, and then the city is rebuilt, then that is in fact an error.

I never suggested that you do. You predicted what I would find and I told you what I actually did find. Your prediction, like the prophecy, was wrong. So when Ezekiel said "thou shalt be built no more" what he really meant was "thou shalt be built no more until thou art rebuilt"? That's pretty thin.I agree with you that the prophecy was not intended to apply to the distant future. What Ezekiel actually said was an exaggeration. It was rhetoric, not intended to be taken literally.You can take the Bible literally or you can admit the prophecy failed. You can't have it both ways. You're shooting yourself in the foot. You admitted that the prophecy about Tyre didn't apply to the far future and now you're claiming that the prophecy in Revelation does. You can't have it both ways.

Two different propheciesThe first fulfilled.... the next still pendingDo you understand that time moves on a linear continuum?Circular lapsing is not the way the universe works .... what is past .... is pastWhat is future .... will be .... futureNo "ringo" business allowed Edited by Straightshot, : No reason given.

No, we're talking about one prophecy, the prophecy that Tyre would be destroyed forever. The rebuilding of Tyre was not foreseen, thus either the prophecy was not completely fulfilled or it was not intended to be taken literally in the first place.

Literally fulfilledNothing you can do

Good, good. So, just to be clear about this. The prophecy that Tyre would never be rebuilt has been literally fulfilled.And also, this is a photograph of modern-day Tyre, the fourth largest city in Lebanon. Tell me, what do you think the word "literally" means? And, indeed, "fulfilled"?Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

You have very low standards. You are not "testing all things" as Paul instructed.