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Faith 
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Message 1231 of 1234 (765609)
08-02-2015 2:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1228 by dwise1
08-01-2015 10:11 PM


Re: Christian capitalism and private property
The supposed early Jewishness of the Church is a Jewish fantasy and I've argued with Jewish Christians about this nonsense. There was Judaizing or adding works to grace, and there was the teaching of grace alone. Christ tore down the wall of partition between Jew and Gentile, "there is now no more Jew nor Gentile..." and "they were first called Christians at Antioch." Christians, followers of Christ, not Gentiles, though some confused Jewish believers make that false claim.
They want a church that feels Jewish to them. So they've started many "messianic Jewish" congregations where some of the trappings of Judaism are maintained such as the torah scroll, the prayer shawl, the shofar, observance of the Jewish High Holy Days, sometimes Saturday or Sabbath worship, even the skull cap although Paul specifically wrote that men are not to have their heads covered in the assembly. There is nothing terribly wrong with any of this but it is also unnecessary and just appeals to their fleshly cultural Jewishness.
The idea that the Church ever became Gentile is just their own cultural obsession probably because of their pre-Christian life. As for Gentile culture, the Church shaped that far more than the other way around.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 1232 of 1234 (765610)
08-02-2015 3:39 AM
Reply to: Message 1231 by Faith
08-02-2015 2:43 AM


Christian anti-semitism is still alive.
Why else deny the Jewish origins of Christianity?

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jar
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Message 1233 of 1234 (765613)
08-02-2015 8:48 AM
Reply to: Message 1231 by Faith
08-02-2015 2:43 AM


another chance for Faith to learn a little about Christianity
Faith writes:
The supposed early Jewishness of the Church is a Jewish fantasy and I've argued with Jewish Christians about this nonsense. There was Judaizing or adding works to grace, and there was the teaching of grace alone. Christ tore down the wall of partition between Jew and Gentile, "there is now no more Jew nor Gentile..." and "they were first called Christians at Antioch." Christians, followers of Christ, not Gentiles, though some confused Jewish believers make that false claim.
Except of course all that is just more misrepresentation.
Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian and his whole mission was to the Jews.
In addition, Jesus not only recognized works but said works were paramount, essential, the duty of his followers.
You should try actually reading the Bible sometime instead of the carny apologetics.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Faith 
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Message 1234 of 1234 (765617)
08-02-2015 9:32 AM


Biblical religion and ethnic culture are two different things and it is not a good thing to confuse them. That is what the Jews do with their rituals and trappings.

  
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