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Author Topic:   What to say if you met God/god/Gods/gods
ringo
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Message 8 of 116 (749679)
02-07-2015 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Faith
02-07-2015 3:44 AM


Re: Questions For Hizzoner
Faith writes:
Everything God made was good, He said so.
I can't help but think of Charles Manson being denounced by his children:
"But everything I did was good. You guys screwed it up."

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ringo
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Message 15 of 116 (749771)
02-08-2015 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Faith
02-07-2015 5:22 PM


Faith writes:
Funny how for people who think evidence and reality matter so much to them, when it comes to this it's their irrational feelings that call the shots.
Funny how you think "irrational feelings" have anything to do with evidence and reality. The concept of gods is irrational to begin with, whether they exist or not.

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ringo
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Message 38 of 116 (750235)
02-12-2015 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by New Cat's Eye
02-11-2015 1:18 PM


Re: My Question for God
Cat's Eye writes:
Without evil, can you really have good? Wouldn't it all just be a bunch of meh?
That's an old joke: Why are you hitting yourself with that hammer? Because it feels so good when I stop.
I think a lot of people would prefer the meh - i.e. not hitting themselves with the hammer, even if they'll never know the pleasure of stopping.

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ringo
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Message 43 of 116 (763078)
07-20-2015 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by Phat
07-20-2015 11:46 AM


Re: Questions
Phat writes:
If you hang around here long enough, you will find that our Spirit is much better than any spirits that you drink.
But the hangover is worse.

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ringo
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Message 50 of 116 (763295)
07-23-2015 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by foreveryoung
07-23-2015 12:51 PM


foreveryoung writes:
So God is a sick bastard because of gross injustice in the world? What would a God who is worthy of your worship do about it?
Would a politician who ignored the gross injustice in the world be worthy of your vote?

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ringo
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Message 52 of 116 (763298)
07-23-2015 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by foreveryoung
07-23-2015 1:12 PM


foreveryoung writes:
You are assuming God is ignoring injustice. Once God starts to visibly intervene, his existence is beyond doubt. That changes the whole ball game. Everyone would believe.
The OP assumes the existence of God, so that IS the ballgame.
So feel free to answer the question: Would you vote for a politician who acted (or failed to act) like God?

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ringo
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Message 73 of 116 (763399)
07-24-2015 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by foreveryoung
07-23-2015 1:28 PM


foreveryoung writes:
God existing and allowing injustice does not mean he is ignoring injustice. It could mean there are very good reasons for him allowing it.
"Ignoring" means not doing anything, even if there are good reasons for not doing anything.
foreveryoung writes:
A politician is not responsible for creating the world. He has powers to do things about problems. I've also noticed that some of the laws passed created to alleviate problems create a whole new set of problems.
But God IS responsible for creating the world. You have a low opinion of a God who can't do anything without creating more problems.
foreveryoung writes:
So, I would probably elect the politician who sat on his ass all day over the guy arrogant enough to think he can make a difference without turning this country more totalitarian than it already is.
Oddly enough, it's usually the right-wing nuts who "don't want the government to do anything" who are pressing for more totalitarian measures.

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ringo
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Message 80 of 116 (766601)
08-19-2015 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by ICANT
08-18-2015 11:19 AM


Re: Competition
ICANT writes:
All animals and mankind was originally vegetarians.
If I met God I'd ask him about the mechanism that caused Eve eating a mango to change the lion's teeth and digestive system.

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ringo
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Message 84 of 116 (797521)
01-23-2017 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 82 by Phat
01-22-2017 1:17 AM


Re: Rationale
Phat writes:
I would imagine that IF GOD existed, He would have created and thus defined the very definition of rationality...
No. If any gods existed they would not get to define rationality. It is what it is.
Why do believers insist on redefining rationality, love, etc. to include God? Why not just concede that gods are irrational and hateful and insist that they're still worth following?

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ringo
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Message 85 of 116 (797522)
01-23-2017 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by Phat
01-22-2017 1:20 AM


Re: Trump Card
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
Would you vote for a politician who acted (or failed to act) like God?
Introducing Mr. Donald Trump. Ask me whether or not he attempted to act godlike in 3 years.
I asked if you would vote for him.

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ringo
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Message 88 of 116 (797592)
01-24-2017 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 86 by Phat
01-23-2017 4:03 PM


Re: Trump Card
Phat writes:
I wonder if they expect godlike behavior out of him?
I think they expect miracles.

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ringo
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Message 91 of 116 (800811)
02-28-2017 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by Phat
02-28-2017 5:55 AM


Re: Rationale
Phat writes:
What you can't seem to grasp is that God by definition does get to define rationality, logic, reason, and reality itself.
But why? How can I grasp what you can't explain?
Phat writes:
What I will assert, however, is that humans don't have the ability to define God except as a lesser Being than themselves.
As I've said many times before, I'm using YOUR definition of God. YOU define Him as a lesser Being.
Phat writes:
My point is that GOD (The One who actually exists) is bigger than yours or my ability to define or to describe.
And yet you DID define God, giving Him the right to define rationality, logic, reason, and reality itself. How do you know that the "real GOD" doesn't define Himself as less than His creation?

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ringo
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Message 93 of 116 (800870)
03-01-2017 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Phat
02-28-2017 1:02 PM


Re: Rationale
Phat writes:
I suppose if God was defined by a doting Jewish Mother He would be a teacher who allows his students to correct him so that they could learn to grow up, become ever increasingly responsible, and become good Doctors.
At least that would be a useful God.

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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 95 of 116 (800884)
03-01-2017 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Phat
03-01-2017 3:22 PM


Re: Rationale
Phat writes:
God is not meant to be useful for humans. We are meant to be useful for God.
That's a good example of meaningless rhetoric. How could anything possibly be "useful" to God? What kind of puny weakling "god" would need to "use" us?

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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 107 of 116 (800966)
03-02-2017 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by Phat
03-01-2017 4:24 PM


Re: Rationale
Phat writes:
Its not that He needs to use us. H uses us for our benefit. He wants to use us.
If we're the ones doing the doing, we don't need Him to "use" us.

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