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Author Topic:   What to say if you met God/god/Gods/gods
New Cat's Eye
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Message 23 of 116 (749962)
02-10-2015 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by NoNukes
02-10-2015 3:53 PM


Re: My Question for God
remove free will of innocent people
So helmet laws, for example, are evil.
Just because its the law doesn't mean that you have to wear one.
What would be evil is strapping helmets to peoples' heads by force.

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Message 25 of 116 (750009)
02-11-2015 9:52 AM
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02-11-2015 8:54 AM


Re: My Question for God
What I meant is that all evil actions include the removal of Free Will of innocent people. Therefore, protecting "Free Will" is not a valid defense to allow evil actions to exist.
Then perhaps God would say: "I care more about allowing people to have Free Will than I do about preventing evil."

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Message 35 of 116 (750050)
02-11-2015 1:18 PM
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02-11-2015 10:06 AM


Re: My Question for God
Which is what I suspect, if God does in fact exist and is all-powerfull.
He just doesn't care enough to prevent the evil.
He might care about evil, but just not as much as he cares about Free Will.
Or maybe his isn't exactly ALL-powerful...
Without evil, can you really have good? Wouldn't it all just be a bunch of meh?
Then, why even bother with the whole Earth thing... just send us all straight to heaven.

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Message 37 of 116 (750109)
02-11-2015 2:59 PM
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02-11-2015 2:54 PM


Re: My Question for God
quote:
If God does exist and I'm ever able to meet Him, I would just like to know exactly where He stands on this one.
God writes:
You silly human. It was all dream! None of that shit was real. I can't believe you fell for that! HaHaHaHaHA!
but it seemed so plausible!..

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Message 54 of 116 (763302)
07-23-2015 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by foreveryoung
07-23-2015 12:51 PM


So God is a sick bastard because of gross injustice in the world? What would a God who is worthy of your worship do about it?
Uh, make justice?

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Message 56 of 116 (763305)
07-23-2015 2:10 PM
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07-23-2015 2:00 PM


How would you create perfect justice without having everyone in prison or dead?
With imperfect justice.
To me, everyone has there own sense of what true justice is. The world could seem just to you and hellish for another.
Well, there could be a little more than we have now, which is no justice at all.

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Message 58 of 116 (763340)
07-23-2015 6:43 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by foreveryoung
07-23-2015 4:08 PM


or nothing being done by those who can do something.
Like God, which is why some people don't think He is worthy of worship. Especially considering His level of capability.

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Message 60 of 116 (763350)
07-23-2015 8:14 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by foreveryoung
07-23-2015 8:06 PM


In other words, there is some evil built into the system that brings a much better reality in the aftermath for the vast majority of humanity.
And some people look at the world and think that God could be doing a better job, then they conclude that He must not be worthy of worship.
You asked:
quote:
So God is a sick bastard because of gross injustice in the world? What would a God who is worthy of your worship do about it?
Isn't it apparent that being worthy of worship would be doing a better job at justice, given the constraints of your questions?
Or were you asking about some specific particulars?

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Message 66 of 116 (763386)
07-24-2015 9:02 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by foreveryoung
07-23-2015 8:25 PM


Those that conclude God could be doing a better job don't really understand the implications of their demands as I have partly brought out. They see injustice and cannot comprehend how an all powerful God could let this happen.
Or perhaps they do understand and can comprehend how, and that is part of what leads them to conclude that the God is not worthy of worship.
This idea of yours that if people just understood and comprehended like you do then they would agree with you is not in the slightest bit convincing.
They don't understand he cannot exercise great power like that without inevitable consequences, so he is not all powerful, it is limited by the huge interconnectedness of life.
They could also consider this God of yours that is impotent as not being worthy of worship for that reason.
In my mind, God is doing an excellent job at justice given his constraints I have tried to illustrate.
You mean: constraints that you have invented.
Even granting your constraints, it still isn't necessitated that the God is worth of worship.
If there is an afterlife, I suspect all remaining injustices will be corrected and it will not be a pretty sight. A metaphor called the lake of fire tries to give a sense of it to our imagination.
Well that God is a jerk, so He's not worthy of worship.

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Message 72 of 116 (763397)
07-24-2015 11:21 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by foreveryoung
07-24-2015 11:00 AM


Can you make up your mind? Do you want justice or not?
Justice here. And nothing permanent.
Its impossible for him to intervene in today's injustices of modern society.
Which is a reason for him to not be worthy of worship.
If he let's it go on unrectified in the afterlife, you will also accuse him of being a jerk for letting people get off Scott free.
Setting it up as a dichotomy between "scott free" and "everlasting punishment" is itself an injustice.

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Message 77 of 116 (766429)
08-18-2015 10:24 AM
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08-18-2015 2:02 AM


Re: Worthship
It seems to me that by nature humans usually celebrate(worship) themselves.
Given all the independent religions that have sprung up, it should also seem to you that by nature humans usually worship others too.

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Message 112 of 116 (803750)
04-04-2017 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 94 by Phat
03-01-2017 3:22 PM


Re: Rationale
God is not meant to be useful for humans.
You sure about that? Finding God has been useful for me. How do you know it wasn't meant to be like that?

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