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Author Topic:   What to say if you met God/god/Gods/gods
foreveryoung
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Message 49 of 116 (763294)
07-23-2015 12:51 PM


So God is a sick bastard because of gross injustice in the world? What would a God who is worthy of your worship do about it?

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Message 51 of 116 (763297)
07-23-2015 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by ringo
07-23-2015 12:58 PM


You are assuming God is ignoring injustice. Once God starts to visibly intervene, his existence is beyond doubt. That changes the whole ball game. Everyone would believe. I don't have a direct line to heaven but my intuition tells me God is looking for a certain kind of existence and a world that has seen him directly in action would act differently and I suspect not so much for the good.....possibly worse than current injustices.

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Message 53 of 116 (763300)
07-23-2015 1:28 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by ringo
07-23-2015 1:18 PM


Yes the OP assumes the existence of God. God existing and allowing injustice does not mean he is ignoring injustice. It could mean there are very good reasons for him allowing it. A politician is not responsible for creating the world. He has powers to do things about problems. I've also noticed that some of the laws passed created to alleviate problems create a whole new set of problems. I actually like a government that doesn't do a damn thing. So, I would probably elect the politician who sat on his ass all day over the guy arrogant enough to think he can make a difference without turning this country more totalitarian than it already is.

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foreveryoung
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Message 55 of 116 (763304)
07-23-2015 2:00 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by New Cat's Eye
07-23-2015 1:40 PM


How would you create perfect justice without having everyone in prison or dead? To me, everyone has there own sense of what true justice is. The world could seem just to you and hellish for another.

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Message 57 of 116 (763322)
07-23-2015 4:08 PM
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07-23-2015 2:10 PM


Incorrect. There is some justice. The fact that there is civilization requires a certain amount of justice. The reason justice is not more perfect than it is is because of evil in men whether through acts of injustice or nothing being done by those who can do something.

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Message 59 of 116 (763348)
07-23-2015 8:06 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by New Cat's Eye
07-23-2015 6:43 PM


If a human does something about it, the outcome is usually good. If God does something, he would have to reveal himself. That would cause its own problems as I already stated. All he can do is work through people that he speaks to. A lot of that already happens and so God really is intervening but you don't see it because you don't believe God speaks to people. A lot of evil occurs because of what people believe. There are people out there trying to change beliefs with limited success. A lot of bad things occur because God used evolution and other natural processes to create this world. We get cancer sometimes because of mutations and yet there would not be sustained life on this earth without it. Plate tectonics causes earthquakes and volcanoes and yet our world would be as lifeless as the moon without it. In other words, there is some evil built into the system that brings a much better reality in the aftermath for the vast majority of humanity.

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foreveryoung
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Message 61 of 116 (763353)
07-23-2015 8:25 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by New Cat's Eye
07-23-2015 8:14 PM


Those that conclude God could be doing a better job don't really understand the implications of their demands as I have partly brought out. They see injustice and cannot comprehend how an all powerful God could let this happen. They don't understand he cannot exercise great power like that without inevitable consequences, so he is not all powerful, it is limited by the huge interconnectedness of life.
In my mind, God is doing an excellent job at justice given his constraints I have tried to illustrate. If there is an afterlife, I suspect all remaining injustices will be corrected and it will not be a pretty sight. A metaphor called the lake of fire tries to give a sense of it to our imagination.
Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.
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foreveryoung
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Message 64 of 116 (763376)
07-24-2015 5:46 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by Dr Adequate
07-24-2015 1:08 AM


The world was a much more superstitious place back then. He also revealed himself to a limited audience. He revealed himself to a world that believed in many gods. His revealing himself was partly to show he was greater than those other gods.

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foreveryoung
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Message 68 of 116 (763393)
07-24-2015 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by Dr Adequate
07-24-2015 10:13 AM


Nope. You assume too much. He hates it but allows it and does not intervene. This is modern society as I have said before. This world would turn upside done with incontrovertibls evidence of his existence. Mass genocide comes to mind.
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foreveryoung
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Message 69 of 116 (763394)
07-24-2015 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by New Cat's Eye
07-24-2015 9:02 AM


Can you make up your mind? Do you want justice or not? Its impossible for him to intervene in today's injustices of modern society. If he let's it go on unrectified in the afterlife, you will also accuse him of being a jerk for letting people get off Scott free.

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foreveryoung
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Message 70 of 116 (763395)
07-24-2015 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by Tangle
07-24-2015 8:26 AM


I know how the world works scientifically, his existence to me only becomes more real with each piece of knowledge I gain.

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