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Author Topic:   The C.C.O.I. (Christian Cult Of Ignorance) and Willful Ignorance
jar
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Message 583 of 675 (762195)
07-09-2015 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 582 by Faith
07-09-2015 2:41 PM


Re: Jesus is alive
How do you know it is from "Him" particularly when the Bible itself is so filled with errors, falsehoods, contradictions and irrelevancies?
After all the devil can quote scripture.

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jar
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Message 585 of 675 (762203)
07-09-2015 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 584 by Faith
07-09-2015 3:16 PM


Re: Jesus is alive
Faith writes:
Well, I can be sure that YOU will never know because you deny that the Bible is God's inerrant word, and that's the prerequisite for judging any Christian experience or teaching.
So are you saying that the test requires that I first believe total falsehoods? What if I belong to a chapter of Club Christian that does not require I throw away my brain before entering?

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jar
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Message 587 of 675 (762210)
07-09-2015 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 586 by Faith
07-09-2015 3:45 PM


Re: Jesus is alive
Faith writes:
You really should throw yours away since it's been misleading you for some time by telling you the Bible has lies in it.
Not lies Faith (although that's also likely) but errors, falsehoods, contradictions and irrelevancies.
Remember Faith, you have never explained how two fowl and seven fowl are the same number of fowls.
Faith, unlike "Biblical Christians" many of us actually read what is written and believe that the Bible really says what it says.

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jar
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Message 597 of 675 (762372)
07-11-2015 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 596 by Faith
07-11-2015 1:01 PM


Re: Jesus is alive
Faith writes:
"most Christians?" Weird. He has a new glorified body but He DOES have a body, which ought to make him "biologically alive" in any reasonable sense. He said He's not a spirit, He ate a fish in His resurrection body, how much more biological can you get?
You really haven't read the Bible have you Faith?
The Bible is wonderfully unclear and contradictory about Jesus existence after resurrection and before ascension and is totally vague and ambiguous about Jesus physical state or status after the ascension.
There i nothing to suggest that there really is some physical thrones or some physical thing to sit on or anything more than poetic imagery.

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jar
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Message 612 of 675 (762559)
07-13-2015 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 609 by Mal
07-13-2015 10:57 AM


Re: Jesus is alive
Mal writes:
I think i might have seen a contradiction in your message.
I apologise if i am incorrect.
No contradictions I believe but also no apology necessary and great questions.
I doubt I can answer both questions adequately in one message so let's see how fr I can get and then proceed from there.
First, understand that there is no such thing as "The Bible", no single universal (in the sense of accepted by all the chapters of Club Christian) list of what should be included in such a thing. There are many different Canons, the shortest being the Samaritan Orthodox Church that believes only those books likely to have been canonized while Jesus lived should be included (the First five books of the Old Testament) and the largest list being the Ethiopian Long Canon that contains over 80 books.
Second, no Bible is one book, one story, one tale but rather an anthology of anthologies written by people of different cultures, eras and mythos for people living in different eras, cultures and mythos. Not one word of any Bible was written for or to people living today. Of course that does not mean that the stories cannot be relevant today.
Third, I acknowledge that what is written is actually what is written and not what others might believe is written or claim is written.
Are you with me so far?

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jar
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Message 621 of 675 (762581)
07-13-2015 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 615 by Mal
07-13-2015 1:00 PM


Re: Jesus is alive
Great. So let's move on.
Mal writes:
If the Bible contains errors, falsehoods (lies?), contradictions, and irrelevancies, then is that what it really says?
If the Bible contains errors, falsehoods, contradictions, and irrelevancies as you say, then why believe anything that is in it?
Why put any faith (*_*) in a book that you believe is in such poor condition?
Let's begin at the beginning, with stories common to all the different canons, the two mutually exclusive creation myths found in Genesis 1 and in Genesis 2&3.
First, all of the evidence indicated that the latter tale, the Genesis 2&3 tale is much older than the story found in Genesis 1 and that they were written by two different cultures.
The order of creation, method of creation, even the descriptions of the God character are entirely different and mutually exclusive. If one is factually true then the other is by definition, false. This is so obvious that there really must be some explanation of why the editors and redactors though it necessary to include both tales in the canon.
Since the two tales are so dramatically and patently different there must be some other purpose for their inclusion. There are several possibilities, politics or different traditions come to mind but there is another maybe even more compelling possibility that also explains why the redactors placed the younger Gen 1 tale before the older Gen 2&3 tale. In all possibilities the creation myths and descriptions of the God character are just plot devices the authors used to get their points across.
The younger Genesis 1 tale has two purposes, it establishes the sacred week and the Sabbath and also presents an aspect of GOD, an overarching figure that is the creator of all that is seen and unseen. The older tale found in Genesis 2&3 is a "Just So" story that explains the social customs of the people, why we fear snakes, why we have to work and farm instead of just being hunter gatherers, why childbirth seems more painful for humans than other animals, why we have a "morals based society" with right and wrong behavior and most importantly, why women should be subject to men. But it also presents an additional image of GOD, a personal god unlike the aloof and separate god of Gen 1, a god that is very human, that learns on the job, is unsure, afraid but personable, directly interacting with the creation.
So while it is obvious that both tales are factually wrong, they do serve a purpose and give us a picture of the relationship they felt they had with God as well as a picture of the mores and culture of the periods.
Still with me?

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jar
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Message 627 of 675 (762746)
07-15-2015 9:09 AM
Reply to: Message 626 by Mal
07-15-2015 8:03 AM


Re: Jesus is alive
If the Bible contains errors, falsehoods (lies?), contradictions, and irrelevancies, then is that what it really says?
If the Bible contains errors, falsehoods, contradictions, and irrelevancies as you say, then why believe anything that is in it?
Why put any faith (*_*) in a book that you believe is in such poor condition?
Great. Glad it makes at least a little sense.
So the Bible, whichever canon is being considered is a collection of writings done by humans of several evolving belief systems that were later selected by other humans, edited by other humans and compiled by other humans.
Other examples of human involvement are the two mutually exclusive flood myths but this time they were not even kept as separate stories as with Genesis 1 and Genesis 2&3. The two flood myths were all mushed together with no indication of why or clear purpose. That happened fairly early and it was never dealt with so we have to ask "Why?"
There are other examples. The Exodus tale and Joshuah almost certainly never happened as described while other stories like Job and Jonah are clearly fictional. Ruth stands out as an anomaly as well.
Then there are the books that deal with those things that define societies, the gradual evolution for a confederacy of family clans into political units and then nations which were then destroyed and the people exiled where a concept of a single religion evolved that then clashed with the religions that had evolved among those who were not exiled.
There are parts that dealt with the evolving legal codes and with those behaviors and identities that set the Hebrews apart as a separate people.
So the picture we should get from the various Bibles and Bible stories is one of evolution, of changing societies, beliefs, behavior and mythos. It should reinforce our understanding of the great periods of time as well as the contrasting and often conflicting religious beliefs that were the Hebrews. (by the way, even a short study of the Talmud should be more than enough to dispel any idea that Judaism was ever a monolithic religion)
Are you still with me? Is this making any sense?

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jar
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Message 630 of 675 (762863)
07-16-2015 8:18 PM
Reply to: Message 628 by Mal
07-16-2015 5:55 PM


Re: Jesus is alive
Great.
So the Old Testament is a look at the evolving creation called Judaism and reflects many of the challenges, conflicts and differences of something as many faceted as Judaism. It contains fiction, tradition, myth but also laws, social mores and the basics that were important to those societies and eras and reflect their changing views about their relationships with each other and with the societies they came in contact with and their evolving views of their relationship with God.
The New Testament has the similarities of being works written by and edited by and redacted by and canonized by other unknown people over several hundred years. Like the Old Testament it evolved but the evolution was much faster, less than 500 years. It also was created during a period of relative stability, when there was but one super power in the known world and not the three to five competing super powers that were the norm during the evolution of the Old Testament.
There is more of a "single purposefulness" to the New Testament; it documents the creation of first a new Jewish sect (Jesus was never a Christian) and then the evolution of that sect into a separate religion. The evidence of evolution is still everywhere, the Synoptic Gospels show evolution and cross pollination while the later Gospel of John show definite reactionary attempts to redefine both the religion and the character "Jesus". Other great examples are the evolution of the Great Commission over time as well as the evolution of the tale of Paul's Road to Damascus experience. There is the evidence of the necessity to change the whole major focus from a short term apocalyptic cult into a long term social program.
If you are still with me I will move on to why I believe and am a Christian.

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jar
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Message 636 of 675 (762900)
07-17-2015 3:50 PM
Reply to: Message 635 by Mal
07-17-2015 3:10 PM


Re: Jesus is alive
Fine, then let's move on.
The Christian Cult of Ignorance makes many really silly claims about the bible like "The Bible is an amazing linear narrative by over forty writers over about 1500 years, in which all the historical reports and all the teachings point to the Messiah Jesus Christ." when the facts are that we honestly don't have a clue how many writers there were, who most of the writers were, over what period the stories were written and evolved and that not one of the claimed Old Testament references to Jesus stands up to examination.
They make claims like "Even the prophets didn't understand all the implications of what they were writing down of what God was telling them (Peter says this in the NT). All this is evidence that the whole thing was ultimately authored by God Himself." which only make the God character look truly stupid.
The Bible (remember there is no such thing as "The Bible") is simply a human creation.
Christianity is a human creation.
Christianity has been spread mostly through force and coercion but also marketing.
Christianity has almost nothing to do with Jesus and Jesus was never a Christian anyway.
But I'm a Christian.
Most likely that is a result of family and environment but ultimately it's still a matter of personal decision.
I grew up in a nominally Christian society, in a Christian family and was educated in a Christian school.
Christianity is a map; it is not the territory itself. Christianity is also just one such map (actually one set of such maps) as is and Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, Judaism, Satanism, Hinduism are also maps.
It's important to keep the distinction in the forefront, we are dealing with maps not the territory.
As mentioned above, Christianity is actually a whole set of maps, some old, outdated, filled with errors; others more recent with fewer errors and omissions but they are all still just maps and those using them must always test the map against reality. The fact that the map shows a bridge does not mean the bridge is there, that the road is not under construction, that there are not better routes to take.
The wise traveler will study several different maps and will note that some of the maps may be more accurate in some areas and less accurate in others and will then adopt the best from each.
But all of the maps are still just maps and not the territory and all will be wrong, incomplete, have errors, be outdated and at times irrelevant. It is the traveler's duty to try to identify those errors, fill in the places where it is incomplete, correct where it is wrong and restore relevance.
Still with me?
Edited by jar, : appalin grmmer

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jar
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Message 639 of 675 (762961)
07-18-2015 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 638 by Mal
07-18-2015 9:41 AM


Re: Mal's learning curve
You're asking all the right question and maybe I can answer them. At least I will try.
quote:
Christianity has almost nothing to do with Jesus and Jesus was never a Christian anyway.
Jesus was born into a Jewish family, raised in Jewish traditions and died as a Jew. His whole ministry was to the Jews as one of them.
Christianity is something else entirely, partially a creation of Paul (who never even met Jesus) but primarily the product of the unknown redactors, editors, politicians, counsel members, Emperors, propagandists, writers and apologists over the several thousand years since Jesus ministry.
Mal writes:
You are a Christian that does not believe Jesus died for your sins and was not God in the human form? Is this a correct definition?
Not quite.
I believe that Jesus, while living among us, was 100% human, not god in human costume, not chimera, but just plain human. If Jesus was not just human when among us then what happened has little meaning or worth to humans.
But if Jesus was God being made man, nothing but a man, not that which created all that is, seen and unseen but a human baby, unable to focus his eyes, unable to feed himself or control his bowels or go potty or walk or crawl or talk, suffering from cold and heat and hunger and pain and ignorant and teething and falling down and scuffing his knees and being mocked then that would be a real sacrifice.
I believe that Jesus is a sacrifice for us, but that the sacrifice is God becoming only man to minister to us, not that blood sacrifice of his death. There are many reasons for my belief. First, that would just make God look stupid. A God that created all that is, seen and unseen, with the ability and desire to forgive human sins certainly doesn't need some farcical stage play as payment. Second, there was nothing unique or even unusual about Jesus death; in fact at least two others died the same way at the same place on the same day.
Mal writes:
jar writes:
Christianity is a map; it is not the territory itself. Christianity is also just one such map (actually one set of such maps) as is Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, Judaism, Satanism, Hinduism are also maps.
I do find this confusing. Are you saying that there is a God and all these different religions have clues to the real identity of this God?
Almost. I believe all religions are pretty much clueless when it comes to the identity, nature or description of GOD. Instead we each create Gods and gods that meet our current belief systems. This has always been going on as I pointed out with the two totally different Gods described in Genesis 1 and Genesis2&3.
Mal writes:
jar writes:
It's important to keep the distinction in the forefront, we are dealing with maps not the territory.
I am thinking that you are saying that all these religions are untrue but all have some truth within them?
Yes, but probably not any spiritual truths.
An example that might help is found in the Great Commandment.
Jesus is asked what is important and his reply is first to love God. But he stops there. He offers no clue of what god or how to Love that critter. Then he goes on to the second part where he actually tells us what to do and how to do it.
Love others as we love ourselves.
Jesus ministry is actually filled with examples of doing, feeding the hungry, teaching the ignorant, suffering little children, comforting the sorrowful, healing the sick. Jesus ministry deals with how we relate to other humans. In Luke 4 there is a great example often ignored where he tells the Jews that they are NOT God's chosen people and that God loves even those who do not worship the Hebraic version of God.
Luke 4 writes:
25 But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land;
26 But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow.
27 And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.
The Christian Cult of Ignorance often uses this to say that Jesus came for the Gentiles and those that believe in "Jesus" but in doing so they miss the meaning and message totally.
GOD created all that is seen, and unseen.
The truths we need to take from Christianity and in fact all religions are those simple basics, that we are all GOD's creation, that we need to try to do what is right and live as though our behavior will be judged.
Matthew 25 is another important but too often ignored teaching. In it Jesus is explaining the fate of all and he remarks again that belief in him is NOT the criteria for judgement but rather behaviors and in fact that those who are his followers may well fail come judgement.
Matt 25 writes:
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Note nowhere in all of that are beliefs mentioned and in fact it is the Goats who are surprised because they have never failed to "do for Jesus".
The reality though if any one thinks about it is that there is nothing we has humans can do for God or Jesus. They do not need our help. We can though do for other humans.
Mal writes:
I am not sure how spiritual truths can be tested against 'reality'. I think they can only be believed or not believed. Reality tells us a man cannot die for 3 days and come back to life but this is the foundation of Christianity and Christians need to have faith that this is true. St. Paul states this.
St Paul said a lot of really silly stuff but he was both a product of his era and culture and a fanatic, but you are right. Spiritual stuff cannot be tested. But the important stuff, our behavior, can be tested.
Mal writes:
jar writes:
The fact that the map shows a bridge does not mean the bridge is there, that the road is not under construction, that there are not better routes to take.
So how does one know for sure if the bridge is there or not? :-?
You look yourself before crossing.
Mal writes:
jar writes:
The wise traveler will study several different maps and will note that some of the maps may be more accurate in some areas and less accurate in others and will then adopt the best from each.
I am so sorry but I do not understand this either. If you have a good enough map then why bother with any others?
Remember, the only way to test your map is against reality but there are other indicators. When was the map updated? Was the update based on "feet on the ground" or on what other maps claimed?
Mal writes:
I do understand this, but billions of people do not do what you are doing and appear happy. This does not mean you are incorrect I know, but why call yourself a Christian and not a Buddhist, or a Muslim, or a Hindu?
Also, what is making my mind explode is that to make sure you have not missed any of the total map you would need to know the religious texts of maybe countless religions to get to the truth.
I think there are far too many to be an expert on each, and you will not be allowed to reject the silly ones like the Book of Mormon because it may have some truth in it.
What I posit ain't easy and requires effort, a willingness to question, doubt, criticize what you are told and a desire as well as the effort to examine beyond your own backyard. You can never be an expert nor do I claim to be an expert but I was fortunate enough to have been raised in a Christian culture that dis question, doubt, criticize what was being sold and encouraged examination of other points of view.
I grew up as the only goyem family in a Jewish neighborhood and so celebrated with them at their holidays (hey, school closed; who am I to blow against the wind) and at the Episcopal school we studied other religions in many subjects but in Sacred Studies in particular we were assigned stuff like the writings of Confucius and Mencius, the Tao Ching and the Eight Fold Path, at home we had a copy of the Book of the Dead as well as Song of Hiawatha and the Norse, Greek and Roman myths, later I had a friend who exposed me to Taoism and another whole helped me understand a few of the Hindu sects. A big influence as a child was Kipling (Kim in particular but also The Just So Stories) and Mark Twain (Mysterious Stranger).
I know this is long yet by necessity abbreviated so feel free to ask for anything else.
Also please understand that I am almost certain with a very, very high degree of confidence that all my beliefs are wrong but so far I have not found anything better.

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Message 642 of 675 (763075)
07-20-2015 11:49 AM
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07-20-2015 11:34 AM


Re: Intended Audience ---Who Determines?
Phat writes:
Who determines what is for us and/or what is addressed to us?
The author.
Phat writes:
If the author and/or artist is long since gone, the determination is made by us ourselves.
If the author happened to be alive (eternally, even) we still determine what is written for us and what is written to us.
We can of course make up anything, even really silly stuff.

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Message 646 of 675 (763122)
07-21-2015 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 645 by Phat
07-21-2015 11:21 AM


Re: What God expects
Phat writes:
If God knows me, God allows me. I freely decide what i will think. God is hopefully present in that moment of decision. I believe that God is present in the future as well as the present. God is present before I arrive at that moment.
That's still just word salad and a cop out instead of attempting to answer the question.
So you are saying that God does not know what you will think?

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Message 648 of 675 (763126)
07-21-2015 11:48 AM
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07-21-2015 11:38 AM


Re: What God expects
Phat writes:
I will answer your question after asking you a question. Does God know what we are thinking at the present moment?
I have absolutely no way to know the answer and cannot see how it could in anyway be relevant.

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Message 651 of 675 (763140)
07-21-2015 12:13 PM
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07-21-2015 12:08 PM


Re: What God expects
So yet again you refuse to answer the question even after claiming you would.
So you are saying that God does not know what you will think?

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Message 653 of 675 (763148)
07-21-2015 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 652 by Phat
07-21-2015 12:15 PM


Re: Does He or Doesn't He?
If that is true, what does that say about your assertion of being in some communion with God or Jesus?

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