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GDRI did broaden the literalist angle.Thanks for that link. I will have a look.For here, I disagree with your, ----" It wasn't God that put Jesus to death it was the Romans."1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.The Romans did not choose Jesus to die. God did and he would also have had to decide who was going to do the killing before he created them.Immoralities like this is what prompts Gnostic Christians to see God as a vile demiurge. Only a prick of a God would send his son instead of stepping up himself.As above so below.Sons are to bury fathers and not fathers bury sons.Regards
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GDRYou ignore the morality of what you believe to try to profit from the murder of an innocent man.Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.Follow your brand of God into hell, where your kind of morals belong.Regards
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mikechellI am not an atheist. I am a Gnostic Christian.Said of Gnostic Christian versus Christian bible reading practices.Both read the Bible day and night; but you read black where I read white.
William Blake.I would take this further and advise you to read any scriptures from as many POV as is within you. Question everything including yourself.The bible, if read as a book of wisdom, does have much wisdom though.You just have to read it the way Gnostics do and revers a lot of the Christian morals.Christians call evil good while Gnostic Christians call evil, evil.I E. Gnostic Christians think that bible God, the demiurge to us, is quite immoral for thinking that torturing King David's baby for 6 days before finally killing it is good justice. Gnostic Christians think that evil while Christians think that a good form of justice.Which group do you think is right?----------------------------------mikechellThat was a short form.
If your time and interest permits, I have a longer piece that I wrote for another who asked about the same thing.-----------------------Care to compare the Jesus you know to the one I know?I have been asked to do an O P showing my beliefs and have written a nutshell view to fill that request.I was a skeptic till the age of 39. I then had an apotheosis and later branded myself an esoteric ecumenist and Gnostic Christian. Gnostic Christian because I exemplify this quote from William Blake and that makes me as hated by Christians today as the ancient Gnostics that Constantine had the Christians kill when he bought the Catholic Church.Both read the Bible day and night, But thou read'st black where I read white.This refers to how Gnostics tend to reverse, for moral reasons, what Christians see in the Bible. We tend to recognize the evil ways of the O. T. God where literal Christians will see God’s killing as good. Christians are sheep where Gnostic Christians are goats.This is perhaps why we see the use of a Jesus scapegoat as immoral, while theists like to make Jesus their beast of burden. An immoral position.During my apotheosis, something that only lasted 5 or 6 seconds, the only things of note to happen was that my paradigm of reality was confirmed and I was chastised to think more demographically. What I found was what I call a cosmic consciousness. Not a new term but one that is a close but not exact fit.I recognize that I have no proof. That is always the way with apotheosis.
This is also why I prefer to stick to issues of morality because no one has yet been able to prove that God is real and I have no more proof than they for the cosmic consciousness or what I call; the Godhead.The cosmic consciousness is not a miracle working God. It does not interfere with us save when one of us finds it. Not a common thing from what I can see. It is a part of nature and our next evolutionary step.I tend to have more in common with atheists who ignore what they see as my delusion because our morals are basically identical. Theist tend not to like me much as I have no respect for literalists and fundamentals and think that most Christians have exaggerated tribal mentalities and poor morals as they have developed a double standard to be able to stomach their God.I am rather between a rock and a hard place but this I cannot help.I am happy to be questioned on what I believe but whether or not God exists is basically irrelevant to this world for all that he does not do, and I prefer to thrash out moral issues that can actually find an end point. The search for God is never ending when you are of the Gnostic persuasion. My apotheosis basically says that I am to ignore whatever God I found, God as a set of rules that is, not idol worship it but instead, raise my bar of excellence and seek further.My apotheosis also showed me that God has no need for love, adoration or obedience. He has no needs. Man has dominion here on earth and is to be and is the supreme being.Since then, I have tried to collect information that would help any that believe that apotheosis is possible, generally not Christians, --- as they do not believe in the mythical esoteric Jesus that I believe in and churches do not dare teach it.This first clip gives the theological and philosophical interpretation of what Jesus taught and the second clip show what I think is a close representation of the method that helped me push my apotheosis.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=playe...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSVl_HOo8YBasically, the usual Christian Jesus is their hero and savior while my version demand that man himself steps up to the plate and save himself.Which version do you think is more moral and deserving of praise and why?Regards
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ringoI offered nothing in the way of changes but do suggest they get changes from within their own religion so I don't know what you mean by my offering garbage.Regards
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jarI get my mind set by what I read and am told that I believe.That is why I suggest that the Qur'an be changed as most mind sets are created the same way and the Qur'an is helping create jihadists.Strange that you ask me to define jihadists after you arguing to protect their books all this time.Hint. Webster's dictionary.Regards
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ringoAre you a Muslim?If not, have you asked any how they would feel about it?If not, your opinion is garbage.Anything further from you and I might start to think that you are ----https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qwm-Dp97SoCareful fellow Canuk.Regards
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mikechell"but you still revere a book that was written by men."As a book of wisdom, yes. But I read it the way it was meant to be read.Bill Moyers Journal . Watch & Listen | PBSRabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."Please listen as to what is said about literal reading."Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."As to seeking God, please remember that our Gods have always been humans and that God to me is just the best rules to live life by.---------------------------Let me explain using Christian and Jewish myths.This Gnostic Christian’s apology for calling myself God.Adam and Eve became as Gods when they gained a moral sense and no longer had their mind cut off from intelligent thought. As our primordial ancestors, we inherit that same trait even though Christianity wrongly thinks that to be evil and a fall. Retaining dominion over the earth, humans never revoked this inherited trait of a moral sense, --- and the right for man to judge himself. Jesus highlights this when he took the seat of judgement at God’s right hand.When I use terms like I am God, or you are God, I am not speaking of the traditional miracle working God of scriptures and myths. He does not exist as far as we can know as he has never made an appearance to prove his reality.What I am trying to convey to you by saying that you are a God in your own right is to be master of yourself and you need not be a sheep. You can, as Jesus says, pick up your burdens and responsibilities for your sins and follow his mind set. Be a shepherd. Lead by example.What I am trying to convey is that the only God you can ever know is the good you find within yourself. It's your ideal of God and of the Jesus or Christ mind. That is quite different from me or someone thinking they are the traditional creator God, or thinking that they are more than anyone else. Both Jesus and the Christ in these myths are for equality. Not the misogyny that we presently enjoy. That is another topic though. We are to be co-equal with Jesus.Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.Jesus would explain this concept as one just seeing that they have joined God’s Divine Council by embracing his own Christ mind. Or better said, as this is the more eastern Jesus, we activate our pineal gland and open our third eye.Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.Divine Council - WikipediaRegards
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BliyaalYou said it so it must be so.Your great apology has really convinced convinced me.Regards
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ringoI have no knowledge of any conversions.I did not claim any.You might remember that if a Muslim gives any change to Islam when he happens to be in the wrong country, he could legally be stoned to death.Some do get out but do it carefully.Regards
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ringoConversion would be good but is not necessary to a religion the touts itself as a religion of peace.The jihadists just have to start walking the peace loving talk of the mainstream Muslims.Regards
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ringoYou seem convinced that the only way is to kill them off.Magic is not a part of my usual vocabulary.Regards
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Assumption not based on facts or thought.Regards
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Again. Not my say so but the say so of their more left leaning peers.Regards
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I do not agree with those on the left but see them as a better alternative than the right wing fundamentals.Both Christianity and Islam are homophobic and misogynistic religions that have outlived their usefulness and are now just a burden for secular societies that are trying to progress.Regards
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So you think we live in religion run states instead of government run states. I do not.Governments have made laws against the more stupid religions and can and should continue to do so, --- including asking or telling them to clean up their act and to stop producing people that must be killed by secular systems to redress their poor and damaging religious indoctrination.Regards
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