Earth science curriculum tailored to fit wavering fundamentalists

If you want to know about historical geology, here's a textbook on historical geology. That's not a fact, Faith. That's something you made up.

The Grand Canyon isn't underground.

Faith, geologists are only required to provide a mechanism for stuff that actually happened, not for shit that you made up in your head. The shit you made up in your head is inexplicable. I can't explain how your made-up shit could happen in the real world. I can't even explain how it got into your head, though I suspect the mechanism involves gross stupidity.

Denial works for you, doesn't it?

Dr Adequate thinks you're making things up. I think you're making things up. If you're not making things up then please provide the evidence for the things you're saying, otherwise don't post.

I can't really find a source for his claim, either, after a brief search. I suspect it's a twist on the argument concerning the reservoir effect.

Here is a landscape. Here are some mountains. Here is a river. As time passes, the mountains will erode, becoming smaller and less pointy, and sediment will be deposited between them. This process tends to flatten out the plain, but it will not fill in the river, because as it flows it bears away sediment. Indeed, the river deepens its bed, forming a canyon. At no point is the landscape compressed into a slab of rock, because this is crazy shit that you've made up in your head.Next there is a marine transgression. Now the mountains are islands. At no point is the landscape compressed into a slab of rock, because this is crazy shit that you've made up in your head.Marine sediment, in the form of let's say carbonates covers the new sea floor. At no point is the landscape compressed into a slab of rock, because this is crazy shit that you've made up in your head.The sea regresses once more. At no point is the landscape compressed into a slab of rock, because this is crazy shit that you've made up in your head.The mountains continue to erode, and new drainage patterns form. At no point is the landscape compressed into a slab of rock, because this is crazy shit that you've made up in your head.Next, for a bit of variety, let's have a volcano. This builds itself up out of lava flows, and covers the surrounding landscape in layers of volcanic ash as it does so. At no point is the landscape compressed into a slab of rock, because this is crazy shit that you've made up in your head.And so it goes: one ordinary geological process succeeds another. At no point is the landscape compressed into a slab of rock, because this is crazy shit that you've made up in your head. And also at no point does an invisible genocidal lunatic who lives in the sky innundate the entire earth with hyperintelligent magic water that uses its vast watery intelligence and its magical watery powers to fake the geology of the world in such a way as to give the Earth the appearance of age, 'cos that's not the sort of thing that happens either.Oh, and one more thing. I forget whether I've mentioned it, but at no point is the landscape compressed into a slab of rock, because this is crazy shit that you've made up in your head.If you ever manage to understand this post, maybe it'll be time for you to move on to your very first chapter book.Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

Because we operate by standards quite different than creationists'. We cannot simply spout nonsense that we make up in our heads, but rather we need to found the sources of the claim and the scientific sources or ideas that they are misquoting and misrepresenting. It is more difficult for us to follow this straight and narrow path instead of the creationists' wide and winding one, but we find the results to be much more reliable.You should watch and learn.

I think you're right. He thinks that saline is responsible for the reservoir effect.

You do need to find his source, but if this guy is indeed trying to follow in Hovind's twisted footsteps, then that would prove very difficult. Hovind made a habit of keeping almost all his material in verbal form through recordings of his live presentations. He hardly ever wrote anything. As a result, a Hovind bibliography can be rather rare. Though in his PowerPoint presentations, he would include citations in some of the slides, but you'd have to be quick in order to write them down.I suspect that he is referring to the basic problem of having to ensure that your sample is not contaminated. One of the conditions for getting an accurate date is that none of the isotopes being measured had been added or removed over time. I understand that to include amounts of the isotope being leeched out chemically.I'm guessing that a saline solution could do that, hence the claim. Though that raises more questions in my mind. What evidence would that leave, such that geochronologists would be able to determine that this sample was contaminated. What concentration saline solution is needed for this to happen? Are the right isotopes affected? What is the actual effect of the leeching out? By what percentage would that affect the date obtained from an contaminated sample? Eg, I encountered a creationist claim that something was found that changed certain decay rates by a fraction of a percent, but that didn't help the claim because it required a change of well over a thousand percent.Hopefully members here who have practical experience with carbondating can fill us in on the contamination problem.PS
IOW, I don't think it's the reservoir effect, but rather the contamination problem.Edited by dwise1, : PS

You mean like a Hovind doctoral thesis?

Nowhere in that post, or your book, do you explain how the strata formed, those slabs of rock of remarkably specific sedimentary composition, that span entire continents and supposedly represent time periods of hundreds of millions of years, yet this is the backbone of Geological time and Evolution. Funny you skirt around it as you do. Eroding mountains filling in a river valley has to be some kind of joke.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Have a look at the pictures in my post. You see those strata of sediment? Now look at the text of my post. You see how I explain how they formed? Funny how you managed to ignore the entire content of my post. The crazy shit in your head is indeed a joke. Whereas what I wrote was "the mountains will erode [...] and sediment will be deposited between them. This process tends to flatten out the plain, but it will not fill in the river".Do you understand the difference between a thing happening, and a thing not happening? Or do I have to explain that to you too?Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

That's a pathetic joke. The strata span entire continents and you've got them building up in a river valley and even leaving the landscape intact around them.