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Faith 
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Message 781 of 1053 (760852)
06-26-2015 9:09 AM
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06-26-2015 9:05 AM


Re: Ah yes, Rationalization is a Wonderful Scientific Tool
Oh edgy edgy, you have developed the most remarkable protective strategies of them all. Too bad geologists don't share a gene pool that yours could contribute to. You just never "get it," SO simple.

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Faith 
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Message 782 of 1053 (760859)
06-26-2015 10:22 AM
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06-26-2015 8:50 AM


Re: Ah yes, Rationalization is a Wonderful Scientific Tool
And after the bag / the sediment slab luggage gets packed it all just stops and stays that way until another earth landscape develops. But ya know that raises more problems. We've got this flat rock that extends across the continent. Where's the sediment going to come from to create the next time period / landscape? It's going to rise up like a phoenix out of the ashes on top of this slab that's already there, stick around long enough for something like, oh, maybe, dinosaurs, to roam around a bit, and then eventually erode down to a new slab of rock of a different sediment with dinosaur fossils in it. Then somehow a completely different landscape has to rise out of the ether on top of that one.
The amount of sediment in the entire Geologic Column must be pretty impressive. Did it all come out of the ocean which for some reason rose and fell by some enormous volume at various times in earth's history, to deposit stuff on the previous slab of rock that crosses the whole continent? Funny how y'all have a problem with the amount of water the Flood would have required but no problem at all with the same amount of water coming out of nowhere every few hundred million years to drop a new sediment on the land, and nobody asks in that bizarre scenario where it all went.
But then if it's sediment deposited on sediment, where are all these time period landscapes coming from?
Yeah let's hear the next Rube Goldberg explanation.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 783 of 1053 (760861)
06-26-2015 10:45 AM
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06-26-2015 10:22 AM


Re: Ah yes, Rationalization is a Wonderful Scientific Tool
And after the bag / the sediment slab luggage gets packed it all just stops and stays that way until another earth landscape develops. But ya know that raises more problems. We've got this flat rock that extends across the continent. Where's the sediment going to come from to create the next time period / landscape?
Have you ever noticed these things, they're called mountains?
Can you figure out where the sediment is coming from?

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edge
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Message 784 of 1053 (760862)
06-26-2015 10:50 AM
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06-26-2015 10:22 AM


Re: Ah yes, Rationalization is a Wonderful Scientific Tool
And after the bag / the sediment slab luggage gets packed it all just stops and stays that way until another earth landscape develops. But ya know that raises more problems. ...
But then if it's sediment deposited on sediment, where are all these time period landscapes coming from?
Yeah let's hear the next Rube Goldberg explanation.
To a YEC, everything is a mystery...

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Faith 
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Message 785 of 1053 (760863)
06-26-2015 10:54 AM
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06-26-2015 10:45 AM


Re: Ah yes, Rationalization is a Wonderful Scientific Tool
Okey dokey. Mountains eh. Source of sediment for the rock slabs that represent entire worldwide landscapes with flora and fauna that last hundreds of millions of years, eh? All one kind of sediment in most cases too. Mountains do that. They contain enough of this one kind of sediment to cover an entire continent with a sediment layer that becomes a particular kind of rock sometimes hundreds of feet thick.
I knew you could come up with a good rationalization.
Now tell us where the mountains came from when all there is on the surface of the earth is the slab of rock from the previous time period, that as far as we can tell stayed a slab of rock until recent time when canyons were cut into the whole stack for the very first time in history, and the layers were truncated and huge chunks eroded away.
Except of course for a "canyon" or two that was carved out of a slab deep in the earth after all the slabs were in place.
But you have to GET some mountains there in between say the Juirassic and the Triassic so you'll have enough sediment to bury the dinosaurs in after they've roamed around for a few million years on top of the previous slab of rock.
Go.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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edge
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Message 786 of 1053 (760864)
06-26-2015 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 783 by Dr Adequate
06-26-2015 10:45 AM


Re: Ah yes, Rationalization is a Wonderful Scientific Tool
Have you ever noticed these things, they're called mountains?
Can you figure out where the sediment is coming from?
I'm still trying to get someone to explain where the sediments come from in the middle of a global flood...
I'm also trying to figure out where Noah lived. These days we live on an erosional unconformity. If Noah lived on land, then there must have been erosion going on. But Faith says all erosion has occurred after the flood.
I'll keep everyone posted with whatever I find out.

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Faith 
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Message 787 of 1053 (760866)
06-26-2015 11:02 AM
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06-26-2015 10:55 AM


Re: Ah yes, Rationalization is a Wonderful Scientific Tool
No, what Faith says is that there is no" erosion" within the geologic column that deserves to be compared with the massive erosion of the surface we now live on, and that fact proves the stack does not represent former time periods.
The erosion in Noah's time contributed the sediments that formed the geologic column in the Flood of course.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 788 of 1053 (760867)
06-26-2015 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 779 by Faith
06-26-2015 8:50 AM


Re: Ah yes, Rationalization is a Wonderful Scientific Tool
Actually you don't SEE evidence for that at all.
Uh ... yes we do.
Here and there you find something that sort of reminds you of such a thing and it fits with the theory so you baptize it Truth although the vast preponderance of evidence doesn't fit at all
Faith, what the fuck would you know about "the vast preponderance of evidence"? You know three things about geology and two of them are wrong.
Right, all this varied topography with its extreme highs and lows and different kinds of rock composition can simply be EXPECTED to scrunch into a slab of rock of one particular kind of sediment
NO.
That is not what geologists expect. I have told you what they expect would have occurred. And the geological record looks like they were completely right. Isn't that nice for them?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 789 of 1053 (760868)
06-26-2015 11:07 AM
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06-26-2015 10:54 AM


Re: Ah yes, Rationalization is a Wonderful Scientific Tool
Okey dokey. Mountains eh. Source of sediment for the rock slabs that represent entire worldwide landscapes with flora and fauna that last hundreds of millions of years, eh?
No, there's also marine sediment. Do I need to show you a photograph of the sea?
Now tell us where the mountains came from when all there is on the surface of the earth is the slab of rock from the previous time period
That isn't "all there is on the surface of the earth". That's all there is in the dumb fantasy world in your head.
Except of course for a "canyon" or two that was carved out of a slab deep in the earth after all the slabs were in place.
I'd love to see you try to provide a mechanism for that one, but that's not the sort of thing you do, is it? We'll just have to settle for magicwaterdidit, I guess.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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edge
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Message 790 of 1053 (760869)
06-26-2015 11:10 AM
Reply to: Message 787 by Faith
06-26-2015 11:02 AM


Re: Ah yes, Rationalization is a Wonderful Scientific Tool
No, what Faith says is that there is no" erosion" within the geologic column that deserves to be compared with the massive erosion of the surface we now live on, ...
Do you have any idea what the end result of erosion is?
Can you tell us how the thick sandstones of the Mesozoic formed in the middle of your flood if there was no erosion occurring in the middle of the geological time scale?
... and that fact proves the stack does not represent former time periods.
But if it's not a fact?
And please explain your reasoning here. Not seeing it.
The erosion in Noah's time contributed the sediments that formed the geologic column in the Flood of course.
But where did the mountains come from in Noah's time? After all there was no tectonism before the flood either...

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Faith 
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Message 791 of 1053 (760870)
06-26-2015 11:12 AM
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06-26-2015 10:54 AM


Re: Ah yes, Rationalization is a Wonderful Scientific Tool
And then those dinosaurs that roamed around on top of the previous slab of rock/ time period, ate what? Something gigantic with deep roots wouldn't you suppose: Deep enough to reach down into, say, the Permian or even deeper than that? Funny we don't find tree roots in those layers though.
I'm just trying to understand how all those time periods supposedly with the same kind iof topography we have today, got compressed into neat flat packages of rock of particular kinds of sediment, and where the stuff needed to form the next landscape with similar topography could come from.

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edge
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Message 792 of 1053 (760871)
06-26-2015 11:14 AM
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06-26-2015 10:54 AM


Re: Ah yes, Rationalization is a Wonderful Scientific Tool
Okey dokey. Mountains eh. Source of sediment for the rock slabs that represent entire worldwide landscapes with flora and fauna that last hundreds of millions of years, eh?
Why not?
How long should they last?

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edge
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Message 793 of 1053 (760874)
06-26-2015 11:17 AM
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06-26-2015 11:12 AM


Re: Ah yes, Rationalization is a Wonderful Scientific Tool
I'm just trying to understand how all those time periods supposedly with the same kind iof topography we have today, got compressed into neat flat packages of rock of particular kinds of sediment, and where the stuff needed to form the next landscape with similar topography could come from.
Maybe because in one place you are looking at deposition and in another you are looking at erosion.
For instance outside my window are mountains, but less than a continent away there are nice gently sloping continental shelves with limestone being deposited...
Probably makes no sense, eh?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 794 of 1053 (760875)
06-26-2015 11:19 AM
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06-26-2015 11:12 AM


Re: Ah yes, Rationalization is a Wonderful Scientific Tool
And then those dinosaurs that roamed around on top of the previous slab of rock/ time period, ate what? Something gigantic with deep roots wouldn't you suppose: Deep enough to reach down into, say, the Permian or even deeper than that? Funny we don't find tree roots in those layers though.
I can make no sense of these ravings, except that you seem to think we don't find fossilized tree roots, which we do.
I'm just trying to understand how all those time periods supposedly with the same kind iof topography we have today, got compressed into neat flat packages of rock of particular kinds of sediment
They didn't. This is why no-one supposes that.
, and where the stuff needed to form the next landscape with similar topography could come from.
The "stuff" is called sediment. You must have heard of it. Now look at that picture I showed you.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 795 of 1053 (760876)
06-26-2015 11:21 AM
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06-26-2015 11:07 AM


Re: Ah yes, Rationalization is a Wonderful Scientific Tool
OK, sure, marine sediment needed to supplement the inadequate amount of sediment from the mountains. That would account for the limestones at least, thick thick slabs of limestones that the dinosaurs roamed around on? We aren't getting a landscape out of any of tnis, though, are we? Lots of flat rocks though.
The underground canyon needs a special mechanism? How about the same kind of mechanism that carved the Grand Canyon, you know, rushing water that in this case ran between the layers? Rushing water washed away a mile's depth of sediment over the Grand Canyon, scouring its rim down to the Permian. Why should there be a problem with water doing something similar underground, dislodging sediments and\ carving out underground spaces, that even get filled in by more sediment-laden water?

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