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Topic: Gun Control Again
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marc9000
Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: 12-25-2009 Member Rating: 1.3
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Re: 9 dead in SC
Guns don't bother me, psychotics, criminals, sociopaths, racists, misogynists, religious fanatics, right-wing militia and so on with guns bothers me a lot. How about a government whose handout-wielding credit card just ran out? How about a global warming wack-job?
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Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 310 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: 07-20-2006
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Message 3632 of 5179 (760432)
06-21-2015 8:20 PM
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Reply to: Message 3629 by marc9000
06-21-2015 7:57 PM
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Re: 9 dead in SC
Well decryptedmatrix.com sounds like a trustworthy site. And when they write stuff in all caps and punctuate it with triple exclamation marks, well that just makes them seem even saner. They also believe in chemtrails, they're worried about the Illuminati, they're convinced that 9/11 was an inside job, and they think that you can alter your genes by meditating.
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Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 310 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: 07-20-2006
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Message 3633 of 5179 (760433)
06-21-2015 8:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 3631 by marc9000
06-21-2015 8:01 PM
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Re: 9 dead in SC
How about a government whose handout-wielding credit card just ran out? Huh?
How about a global warming wack-job? Even the most belligerent of denialists has yet to start shooting climate scientists. They usually confine themselves to screaming halfwitted paranoid nonsense on the internet.
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Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 310 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: 07-20-2006
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Message 3634 of 5179 (760434)
06-21-2015 8:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 3611 by Faith
06-21-2015 1:39 PM
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Re: 9 dead in SC
Isn't it obvious that if just one person in the Bible Study had a gun many would not have died? Just one person did.
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Percy
Member Posts: 22492 From: New Hampshire Joined: 12-23-2000 Member Rating: 4.9
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Re: 9 dead in SC
ThinAirDesigns writes: Percy writes: What is clear is that any guns owned by members of the congregation were more likely to be used against themselves, family members or friends than for defense.
While the data for that may exist Percy, I have yet to see it. Do you have it? This thread has been active for over two and a half years with more than 3500 posts, so I guess it wouldn't be reasonable to ask you to just read the thread, so I went through some of my old posts to see if I could dig out some links for you:
I spent a half hour finding these and didn't get even halfway through the thread, but I have to stop now. --Percy
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anglagard
Member (Idle past 862 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: 03-18-2006
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Message 3636 of 5179 (760436)
06-21-2015 8:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 3628 by marc9000
06-21-2015 7:43 PM
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Re: 9 dead in SC
marc9000 writes: But what gun control advocates don't seem to think about is the fact that it's not possible for an individual wack-job, or a citizen group of wack-jobs, to issue orders that cause massive gun carnage. I think you may want to revise that sentence considering the following: Pol Pot, Mussolini, Lenin, Mao Zedong, Ho Chi Minh, Fidel Castro, Hong Xiuquan, Chandra Bose, Ayatollah Khomeini, the IRA, PLO, ISIS, Hezbollah, and among others virtually every male in Afghanistan, the Congo, Somalia, Yemen, and much of Iraq. Please further define "a citizen group of wack-jobs, to issue orders that cause massive gun carnage."
Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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marc9000
Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: 12-25-2009 Member Rating: 1.3
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Re: 9 dead in SC
Well decryptedmatrix.com sounds like a trustworthy site. And when they write stuff in all caps and punctuate it with triple exclamation marks, well that just makes them seem even saner. So you don't believe what they claim about Switzerland? If I showed you other sources that said the same thing, would you still not believe it? Did you believe the other link that said that the 57%of the Swede vote was against gun control?
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marc9000
Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: 12-25-2009 Member Rating: 1.3
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Re: 9 dead in SC
Huh? The U.S. is in financial trouble. I see you didn't listen to Trump the other day. 
Even the most belligerent of denialists has yet to start shooting climate scientists. I know. And even the most belligerent of evolutionists has yet to shoot up a church. Or have they?
They usually confine themselves to screaming halfwitted paranoid nonsense on the internet. Nobody screams like Al Gore
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
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Message 3639 of 5179 (760439)
06-21-2015 9:11 PM
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Reply to: Message 3629 by marc9000
06-21-2015 7:57 PM
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Re: 9 dead in SC
You might want to go to a reputable site and actually read facts about Switzerland. Right wing nut job sites are not reputable. The first statement is not true. The second is true because men between 20 and 30 are members of the military or militia. I would have no trouble for people to have to be part of a well regulated militia in order to have a gun(actually that is what the Constitution actually says). The third statement is not true. Do you actually think a comparison between the US and Switzerland is valid? Here are some facts about guns in Switzerland. Most are not in homes. http://www.washingtonpost.com/...-are-not-gun-toting-utopias
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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marc9000
Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: 12-25-2009 Member Rating: 1.3
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Re: 9 dead in SC
marc9000 writes: But what gun control advocates don't seem to think about is the fact that it's not possible for an individual wack-job, or a citizen group of wack-jobs, to issue orders that cause massive gun carnage. I think you may want to revise that sentence considering the following: Pol Pot, Mussolini, Lenin, Mao Zedong, Ho Chi Minh, Fidel Castro, Hong Xiuquan, Chandra Bose, Ayatollah Khomeini, the IRA, PLO, ISIS, Hezbollah, and among others virtually every male in Afghanistan, the Congo, Somalia, Yemen, and much of Iraq. I don't need to revise it, I just need to make what I was saying clearer to you. I said individuals, or citizen groups not POLITICAL LEADERS like you named. Political leaders in the U.S. aren't included in any gun control laws. Neither are the vast armies of police or military that take orders from them.
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ThinAirDesigns
Member (Idle past 2399 days) Posts: 564 Joined: 02-12-2015
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Message 3641 of 5179 (760441)
06-21-2015 9:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 3635 by Percy
06-21-2015 8:43 PM
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Re: 9 dead in SC
Appreciative of your extraordinary effort to track this down. I'll go through it. Thanks JB
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marc9000
Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: 12-25-2009 Member Rating: 1.3
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Re: 9 dead in SC
The Washington Post? Quoting from an assistant professor of epidemiology at the School of Public Health at the State University of New York? Certainly these must be unbiased sources! So there is conflicting information on what Switzerland does. You believe yours, and I'll believe mine.
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anglagard
Member (Idle past 862 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: 03-18-2006
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Message 3643 of 5179 (760443)
06-21-2015 9:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 3631 by marc9000
06-21-2015 8:01 PM
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Re: 9 dead in SC
me writes: Guns don't bother me, psychotics, criminals, sociopaths, racists, misogynists, religious fanatics, right-wing militia and so on with guns bothers me a lot. marc9000 writes: How about a government whose handout-wielding credit card just ran out? If you would like to discuss excessive government handouts to the already rich, I suggest my thread Economics 101 - Evidence Based Decision Making is the appropriate thread.
marc9000 writes: How about a global warming wack-job? People who know the overwhelming evidence are not reality-challenged. People who deny the overwhelming evidence are as reality-challenged as psychotics, criminals, sociopaths, racists, misogynists, religious fanatics, and right-wing militia. Therefore they should not be allowed to own guns without the most stringent background checks.
Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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anglagard
Member (Idle past 862 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: 03-18-2006
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Message 3644 of 5179 (760444)
06-21-2015 9:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 3640 by marc9000
06-21-2015 9:12 PM
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Re: 9 dead in SC
me again writes: I think you may want to revise that sentence considering the following: Pol Pot, Mussolini, Lenin, Mao Zedong, Ho Chi Minh, Fidel Castro, Hong Xiuquan, Chandra Bose, Ayatollah Khomeini, the IRA, PLO, ISIS, Hezbollah, and among others virtually every male in Afghanistan, the Congo, Somalia, Yemen, and much of Iraq. marc9000 writes: I don't need to revise it, I just need to make what I was saying clearer to you. I said individuals, or citizen groups not POLITICAL LEADERS like you named. Political leaders in the U.S. aren't included in any gun control laws. Neither are the vast armies of police or military that take orders from them. Isn't a political leader the leader of a citizen group?
Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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nwr
Member Posts: 6411 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: 08-08-2005 Member Rating: 4.5
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Message 3645 of 5179 (760445)
06-21-2015 9:47 PM
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Reply to: Message 3638 by marc9000
06-21-2015 9:06 PM
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Re: 9 dead in SC
I see you didn't listen to Trump the other day. I listened. It was hilarious. Standup comedians across the nation are applauding his decision to run.
Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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