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RAZD Member (Idle past 1632 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Ran into this interesting website:
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quote: A rather overwhelming review of recent earthquakes and past and present volcanic activity. The author is not a seismologist as far as I can see, but certainly has an (obsessive?) interest in the field. When he says things like (paraphrased) "you won't see this reported in the media" or "the professionals won't tell you about the link of quakes to inactive volcanoes" my reaction is quack conspiracy thinking ... but what is the conspiracy? What do you think? Enjoy how about the "Is it Science" forum? Edited by Admin, : Correct typos.by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Admin Director Posts: 13103 From: EvC Forum Joined: |
Thread copied here from the Quake or Quack thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9011 From: Canada Joined: |
Just from your quotes it smells very quacky to me. It isn't worth bothering with. Of course, when my computer falls off my desk here in Vancouver I'll be regretting that.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1632 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Just from your quotes it smells very quacky to me. ... Or one level down to "alarmist" ... The evidence he cites should be confirmable, however, and he provides some links in that regard - to recent earthquakes. His predictions seem somewhat in line with typical seismologists saying that we don't know where or when with any degree of confidence, but that dormant sections of otherwise active faults are likely to see some activity as stress builds up. It seems that he has produced quite a large model of past quakes by time, location and depth, and that he has correlated it with continental plates. Enjoy Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Itty bitty code fix.by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Jon Inactive Member |
The author is not a seismologist as far as I can see, but certainly has an (obsessive?) interest in the field. His Contact page gives him away.Love your enemies!
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8644 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
There has been increased quake activity on the west coast the last two days. Nothing above 4.1 as I see. Mag 4 tremblers are not unusual in California. The number of active sites is a bit unusual. Still, these are reported in the media and no one from USGS is rushing to move to Colorado so there appears to be no imminent threat of my place in Phoenix becoming ocean-side property any time soon.
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jar Member Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
There was a 4.0 earthquake in Pratt Kansas yesterday.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8644 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
You might like this site:
Earthquake Track. You can see different areas and their quake activity. Kansas gets a lot of small quakes. But then it is close to Oklahoma which also gets a lot of tremblers.
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jar Member Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yup, that is where I found out about the Pratt earthquake.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8644 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 7.6
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1632 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
There has been increased quake activity on the west coast the last two days. Nothing above 4.1 as I see. Mag 4 tremblers are not unusual in California. As I remember the Richter Scale is logarithmic and each integer represents a 10-fold change in energy. Checking with wiki I see:
quote: So lots of little quakes in the 3.0—3.9 are just noticeable but rarely cause damage, and even quakes in the 4.0—4.9 range rarely cause significant damage (depending on what things on shelves that fall off involve), and it is only when you get into the 5.0—5.9 range that you begin to get significant damage ... to poorly constructed structures. This is what I was talking about it being an "alarmist" site rather than a conspiracy theory site (although it seems the author is willing to take that path), as he talks about pending quakes as posing a great danger yet most of the quakes he documents are under 4.5, and he makes it seem more dangerous than it is. Nor should we be surprised by any links between quakes and volcanic activity as this link is very well documented along plate boundaries. That being said, I found the global scale that he documented quite fascinating -- the earth is indeed in a rather constant state of flux and change, and if nothing else this is one way to show that fact. I've only experienced one quake, while camping in California, and we didn't know what it was until we left in the morning and went to lunch. It was in the 3's as I recall. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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anglagard Member (Idle past 1064 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
RAZD writes: I've only experienced one quake, while camping in California, and we didn't know what it was until we left in the morning and went to lunch. It was in the 3's as I recall. I have been in a few at my location mid-4s, mostly in California, but the last in New Mexico. The last was the most interesting as I was near the epicenter and had recently taken some geophysics classes. Sleeping on the couch at my parent's house after a night well spent at the Capitol Bar in Socorro, I was awakened by the pressure wave which hits like a brief punch or jolt, less than a second in duration, making a booming sound. Immediately after came the shear wave, rattling dishes and anything not firmly fixed which lasted for some 5 to 10 seconds. During this time I also saw the Raleigh wave on the floor which made it appear to undulate in a series of peaks and troughs like waves in the open ocean. I found the experience quite informative, but I would like to keep it under 5 on the Richter Scale, as you may well understand. Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2333 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
I was not too far from the epicenter of the Loma Prieta earthquake, 6.9.
6.9 gets your attention real quick!Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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edge Member (Idle past 1933 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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This is what I was talking about it being an "alarmist" site rather than a conspiracy theory site (although it seems the author is willing to take that path), as he talks about pending quakes as posing a great danger yet most of the quakes he documents are under 4.5, and he makes it seem more dangerous than it is.
I concur. As with so many 'news' outlet today, this is an alarmist site, feeding off peoples' fear of natural disasters. A few comments: 'Predicting' M3 earthquakes in a region is hardly a difficult task. These are relatively abundant earthquakes and if you just look at seismic risk maps, you could do the same. There are a lot of 'anthropic' M3 earthquakes and they have been going on for years. The were often caused by water or waste injection wells and mine collapses etc. Nowadays, fracking is getting to be more common. There is an argument that lots of low magnitude earthquakes are better than one big one. It has been proposed that we initiate small quakes in high risk areas, but who's going to take that chance? I really have a hard time correlating what's happening in LA with seismicity events (or lack of) in Vancouver. The crust of the earth just doesn't transmit stresses that far. Keep in mind also that the events occur on different faults and exhibit different stress fields. The San Andreas is strike slip plate boundary, Vancouver is a convergent boundary and the Juan de Fuca ridge is a divergent boundary ... Now, if you want to discuss earthquake related to earth tides, that's a different story. At the same time, there are periods where volcanism is more pronounced and it may have something to do with heat flows from the mantle/core. That would affect earthquakes and volcanoes, since plate tectonics is responsible for the location of both. Just my two-cents...
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1632 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
So was he right? He said
quote: and now we have Four earthquakes strike off Oregon coast:
quote: His "prediction" was for activity further north, and this looks like it is connected to the same seamount where he had already recorded activiety ... a bit bigger ... Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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