The Grand Canyon: Canyon Formation and Erosion

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--What I propose is merely for further research, I had nothing to begin with to support any pre-conceived idea or speculation of mine. I never asserted that lithification is not a difficulty in young earth geology. However, many claims have been made that it is. If the latter assertion does not have alloted for it a supporter, I will leave this discussion where it is until further information can be presented. If I am the only one interested in delving into the literature to look for those answers, fine with me--this just wasn't the original intent of the thread.

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Indeed, there are probably not many people who feel that this is an important field of research. However, as I indicated above, we will wait for the results of your research.

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Indeed, there are probably not many people who feel that this is an important field of research. However, as I indicated above, we will wait for the results of your research.

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--Thank you for this understanding.

Two queries.Doesn't the generally parallel and uniform nature of sedimentary layers require that they be laid down in quick succession?
Wouldn't uneven boundaries representative of some sort of erosion be the norm instead of the distinct 'borders' between layers?Would repeated 'packing' of the sediment as it is laid down (possibly in mildly carbonated water) increase the speed of lithification?
Assuming an unbroken ocean surrounding the earth (ie floodwaters) wouldn't the unimpeded tidal bulge gently lift and drop the sediment, compressing much of the water out of the layers as they are formed?

I'm not a geologist but one will answer in awhile I suppose. However, what reasoning leads you to believe that? In addition, you should define "quick" in this context. You didn't use the reply button of a particular message so I don't know what you are referring to here. What sort of process are you envisioning is happening? It seems to me that some layers will transition to another with no opportunity for erosion and some will have a time exposed for erosion to take place. In a hyper rapid, single flood scenario there would be not time for any layer to be hardened, exposed and eroded would there? Gently???? Have you read over what some creationists think happened in one year of the flood?Where did you get this idea and the soda pop idea? There needs to be some reason to suspect such things can happen before you start making up wildly speculative ideas. Have experiments been done?
It seems to me that the hyper-rapid depositionists have an easy time of it. They suggest that amazing amounts of sediment were laid down and hardened in less than a year. Thus experiments can be conducted that don't need longer than a year to run. Have such experiments been conducted and replicated?If there was any such thing as "creation science" I would think you would be able to refer to such experiments. I'll wait both the response of the geologists and your response.Have a Merry Christmas in the meantime. Or enjoy the celebration of Mithras. And more importantly than either Happy Birthday to Isaac Newton!------------------
Common sense isn't

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Doesn't the generally parallel and uniform nature of sedimentary layers require that they be laid down in quick succession?

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No, though rapid sedimentation does happen. There must be some other process going on to get discordance. Think of pouring a cup of sediment into a jar of water. Wait a few minuts and do it again. Do you think it will make a big difference if you wait a minute or a month? Now, with MORE time the boundary will become more distinct, but that is the opposite of the effect that you desire. Now, try tipping the jar before you put the second load in. This will give you an angular unconformity. The problem you have here is that not only do you have two sedimentary events, but you have separated them by a tectonic event that has taken an uncertain amount of time. In addition to the tipping you might have erosion of the tipped layers which would require even more time. You can begin to, perhaps, see the problem here with a young earth interpretation.

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Wouldn't uneven boundaries representative of some sort of erosion be the norm instead of the distinct 'borders' between layers?

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Erosion or other processes. But this does happen. That is why we see unconformities in the geological record. In a sense, every bedding plane is an unconformity, suggesting more and more time between the actual depositional events.

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Would repeated 'packing' of the sediment as it is laid down (possibly in mildly carbonated water) increase the speed of lithification?

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I can think of a few such processes. But realistically, they won't speed up the process of lithification significantly.

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Assuming an unbroken ocean surrounding the earth (ie floodwaters) wouldn't the unimpeded tidal bulge gently lift and drop the sediment, compressing much of the water out of the layers as they are formed?

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Earth tides are minimal. Do you notice it every day when you rise annd fall a foot or two? The main methods of dewatering are probably loading and perhaps seismicity, though I haven't put much thought into it yet.

Thought this link might be somewhat interesting to the topic:http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=16200Putting the homosexuality issue and political issue aside, I was somewhat surprised to see the Grand Canyon National Park posting alternative material to it's formation.Apologies if this was posted in the wrong place.

I don't know why I am continually surprised to see the President of the United States force feed his fundamentalist religious beliefs on the rest of the country, but I am.I also find it interesting that pro-choice, pro-abortion, and feminism are being used interchangeably.Yeah, this topic should probably be moved to the Misc Creation/Evo forum.