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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
And yet you insist the you, in violation of scripture, can visually identify the Spirit of God, and that ,further, you can take pictures of it and post them on the internet.
Something is not right here, Scott. Either you are wrong or the scripture is wrong.
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And yet you insist the you, in violation of scripture, can visually identify the Spirit of God, and that ,further, you can take pictures of it and post them on the internet. Something is not right here, Scott. Either you are wrong or the scripture is wrong. Obviously, he is the one who is wrong. And further, since he is claiming that a piece of dust is the Spirit of God, and telling us that he is telling the truth and that we just cannot see it, then that counts as blaspheming the Holy Spirit: Mark 3:29 "but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin."
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ScottRP Member (Idle past 148 days) Posts: 515 From: Tustin, California USA Joined: |
I have seen the Spirit of God with my own two eyes and thus can identify Him. Have you ever seen Him? If not, how do you know that I am wrong?
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jaywill Member (Idle past 1942 days) Posts: 4519 From: VA USA Joined: |
I don't know if someone is claiming to have photographed the Spirit of God or something like that. That would of course appear as nonsense to me.
Because Jesus Christ is the center of the whole Bible, understanding something of what God as accomplished in Jesus Christ is an important key in grasping what this vision of Ezekiel means. It is a symbolic picture of utter cooperation and coordination between God and God's people. The entire apparatus of the vision speaks of the divine / human coordination, harmony, and cooperation by which God's WILL moves as a WHEEL through the history of creation. God does not want to unilaterally do many things apart from having man on earth echo His heart and cooperate with Him in full harmony. This complex vision reveals the utter harmonious coordination God seeks and will eventually obtain in His people. He sought it in Israel. He seeks it with the New Testament church. He eventually obtains it with a remnant of overcoming ones and fully secures it in eternity with the New Jerusalem. The vision is not too far removed from what Jesus Christ is - the full mingling, coordination, blending, cooperation, and incorporation of God and man in one Person.This vision is a revelation of a Divine / Human union in movement, operation, and accompishing of God's will on earth. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.
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ScottRP Member (Idle past 148 days) Posts: 515 From: Tustin, California USA Joined: |
How could anyone know that I am being deceived when they have never seen the Spirit of God themselves?
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
How could anyone know that I am being deceived when they have never seen the Spirit of God themselves? You behavior in this thread informs us that you are not intelligent enough to even know if you saw the Spirit of God or not. That you think a piece of dust in a photograph is the Spirit of God shows us just how easily you are deceived. The way you act shows us the fact that you are unworthy of the presence of the Spirit of God so we know that it never actually happened. Now, I don't know that you actually were deceived, because I'm leaving open the possibility that you are just a liar.
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jar Member (Idle past 395 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
jaywill writes: Because Jesus Christ is the center of the whole Bible, understanding something of what God as accomplished in Jesus Christ is an important key in grasping what this vision of Ezekiel means. There is nothing in the Old Testament that has anything to do with Jesus Christ and so far no one has been able to provide any such support that can stand up to examination.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 395 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
ScottRP writes: I have seen the Spirit of God with my own two eyes and thus can identify Him. No, you have claimed to have seen the Spirit of God with my your two eyes and thus can identify Him. That says absolutely nothing about whether or not you actually have seen the Spirit of God with your own two eyes and thus can identify Him. Evidence. Where is the evidence? Edited by jar, : parts of speechAnyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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subbie Member (Idle past 1255 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
No, you have ignored alternate explanations and simply repeated your claims. Repetition is as poor an argument tactic as is refusal to accept rationality.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
I have seen the Spirit of God with my own two eyes and thus can identify Him. quote: quote: quote: If not, how do you know that I am wrong? You must be wrong or are you telling us the Bible is wrong? And your own words back in message 165? Are you wrong now or were you wrong when you wrote that message? Somebody is wrong here, Scott. Either you or the Bible. Which is it?
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jaywill Member (Idle past 1942 days) Posts: 4519 From: VA USA Joined: |
The Old Testament has everything to do with Jesus Christ.
In spite of jar's confident assertion, we know because of what Jesus Christ Himself has taught. Moses and ALL ... the prophets - spoke of Christ -
"And beginning from Moses and from all the prophets, He explained to them clearly in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself. "(Luke 24:27) The Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms -
"And He said to them, These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all the things written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and Psalms concerning Me must be fulfilled. "(Luke 24:44) Jesus opened their minds to understand the (Old Testament) Scriptures spoke of Himself -
"Then He opened their mind to understand the Scriptures. And He said to them, Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise up from the dead on the third day, And that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His namee to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem." (Luke 24:46,47) Christians are those who have had their minds opened to see Christ in all the Bible.The readers can make up thier decision to believe jar or to believe Jesus Christ. I choose the believe Jesus on this over jar.My discussion of Ezekiel's vision will assume this centrality of Christ in the whole Bible. I haven't changed in this regard. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 395 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Luke is not evidence of anything beyond the author of Luke knowing the stories of the Old Testament and taking things out of context, quote mining.
Quote mining is as worthless as evidence then as it is today. Now if you would like to test the actual Old Testament we can go over them one at a time yet again but let's do it over at Are any of these prophecies fulfilled by Jesus?.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jaywill Member (Idle past 1942 days) Posts: 4519 From: VA USA Joined: |
I trust Jesus in this over your explanations.
He opened our minds to understand. Sorry to see that your mind has not been opened to realize Christ is central to the entire Bible.
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jar Member (Idle past 395 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
jaywill writes: I trust Jesus in this over your explanations.He opened our minds to understand. Sorry to see that your mind has not been opened to realize Christ is central to the entire Bible. As usual, no support, just bluster. More wheels and globes and visions and fantasies. Got it.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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ScottRP Member (Idle past 148 days) Posts: 515 From: Tustin, California USA Joined: |
Photographs!
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