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AZPaul3
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Message 166 of 1310 (751646)
03-04-2015 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by ScottRP
03-04-2015 3:07 PM


And yet you insist the you, in violation of scripture, can visually identify the Spirit of God, and that ,further, you can take pictures of it and post them on the internet.
Something is not right here, Scott. Either you are wrong or the scripture is wrong.

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Message 167 of 1310 (751647)
03-04-2015 3:34 PM
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03-04-2015 3:21 PM


And yet you insist the you, in violation of scripture, can visually identify the Spirit of God, and that ,further, you can take pictures of it and post them on the internet.
Something is not right here, Scott. Either you are wrong or the scripture is wrong.
Obviously, he is the one who is wrong.
And further, since he is claiming that a piece of dust is the Spirit of God, and telling us that he is telling the truth and that we just cannot see it, then that counts as blaspheming the Holy Spirit:
Mark 3:29 "but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin."

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ScottRP
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Message 168 of 1310 (751649)
03-04-2015 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by AZPaul3
03-04-2015 3:21 PM


I have seen the Spirit of God with my own two eyes and thus can identify Him. Have you ever seen Him? If not, how do you know that I am wrong?
Edited by ScottRP, : No reason given.
Edited by ScottRP, : No reason given.

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jaywill
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Message 169 of 1310 (751650)
03-04-2015 4:03 PM


I don't know if someone is claiming to have photographed the Spirit of God or something like that. That would of course appear as nonsense to me.
Because Jesus Christ is the center of the whole Bible, understanding something of what God as accomplished in Jesus Christ is an important key in grasping what this vision of Ezekiel means.
It is a symbolic picture of utter cooperation and coordination between God and God's people. The entire apparatus of the vision speaks of the divine / human coordination, harmony, and cooperation by which God's WILL moves as a WHEEL through the history of creation.
God does not want to unilaterally do many things apart from having man on earth echo His heart and cooperate with Him in full harmony. This complex vision reveals the utter harmonious coordination God seeks and will eventually obtain in His people. He sought it in Israel. He seeks it with the New Testament church. He eventually obtains it with a remnant of overcoming ones and fully secures it in eternity with the New Jerusalem.
The vision is not too far removed from what Jesus Christ is - the full mingling, coordination, blending, cooperation, and incorporation of God and man in one Person.
This vision is a revelation of a Divine / Human union in movement, operation, and accompishing of God's will on earth.
Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

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ScottRP
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Message 170 of 1310 (751651)
03-04-2015 4:04 PM


How could anyone know that I am being deceived when they have never seen the Spirit of God themselves?

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Message 171 of 1310 (751652)
03-04-2015 4:20 PM
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03-04-2015 4:04 PM


How could anyone know that I am being deceived when they have never seen the Spirit of God themselves?
You behavior in this thread informs us that you are not intelligent enough to even know if you saw the Spirit of God or not.
That you think a piece of dust in a photograph is the Spirit of God shows us just how easily you are deceived.
The way you act shows us the fact that you are unworthy of the presence of the Spirit of God so we know that it never actually happened.
Now, I don't know that you actually were deceived, because I'm leaving open the possibility that you are just a liar.

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jar
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Message 172 of 1310 (751653)
03-04-2015 4:25 PM
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03-04-2015 4:03 PM


Re:
jaywill writes:
Because Jesus Christ is the center of the whole Bible, understanding something of what God as accomplished in Jesus Christ is an important key in grasping what this vision of Ezekiel means.
There is nothing in the Old Testament that has anything to do with Jesus Christ and so far no one has been able to provide any such support that can stand up to examination.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 173 of 1310 (751654)
03-04-2015 4:28 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by ScottRP
03-04-2015 3:43 PM


many are col;d but few are frozen.
ScottRP writes:
I have seen the Spirit of God with my own two eyes and thus can identify Him.
No, you have claimed to have seen the Spirit of God with my your two eyes and thus can identify Him. That says absolutely nothing about whether or not you actually have seen the Spirit of God with your own two eyes and thus can identify Him.
Evidence.
Where is the evidence?
Edited by jar, : parts of speech

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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subbie
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Message 174 of 1310 (751656)
03-04-2015 4:52 PM
Reply to: Message 163 by ScottRP
03-04-2015 2:56 PM


No, you have ignored alternate explanations and simply repeated your claims. Repetition is as poor an argument tactic as is refusal to accept rationality.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung

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AZPaul3
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Message 175 of 1310 (751659)
03-04-2015 5:09 PM
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03-04-2015 3:43 PM


I have seen the Spirit of God with my own two eyes and thus can identify Him.
quote:
John 14:17. the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him
quote:
NKJV Scholastic Commentary: Neither sees Him nor knows Him does not mean merely that the world is not able to visually identify the Holy Spirit because He is Spirit. Something more is meant: The Spirit of God is active in the world, but His acts go unnoticed by the world (see 1 Cor. 2:14).
quote:
ScottRP, Message 165:
Not only is the world unable to visually identify the Spirit of God, His works go unnoticed as well.
If not, how do you know that I am wrong?
You must be wrong or are you telling us the Bible is wrong?
And your own words back in message 165? Are you wrong now or were you wrong when you wrote that message?
Somebody is wrong here, Scott. Either you or the Bible. Which is it?

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jaywill
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Message 176 of 1310 (751662)
03-04-2015 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 172 by jar
03-04-2015 4:25 PM


Re:
The Old Testament has everything to do with Jesus Christ.
In spite of jar's confident assertion, we know because of what Jesus Christ Himself has taught.
Moses and ALL ... the prophets - spoke of Christ -
"And beginning from Moses and from all the prophets, He explained to them clearly in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself. "(Luke 24:27)
The Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms -
"And He said to them, These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all the things written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and Psalms concerning Me must be fulfilled. "(Luke 24:44)
Jesus opened their minds to understand the (Old Testament) Scriptures spoke of Himself -
"Then He opened their mind to understand the Scriptures. And He said to them, Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise up from the dead on the third day, And that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His namee to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem." (Luke 24:46,47)
Christians are those who have had their minds opened to see Christ in all the Bible.
The readers can make up thier decision to believe jar or to believe Jesus Christ.
I choose the believe Jesus on this over jar.
My discussion of Ezekiel's vision will assume this centrality of Christ in the whole Bible.
I haven't changed in this regard.
Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.
Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.
Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

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jar
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Message 177 of 1310 (751664)
03-04-2015 5:42 PM
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03-04-2015 5:20 PM


after the fact nonsense.
Luke is not evidence of anything beyond the author of Luke knowing the stories of the Old Testament and taking things out of context, quote mining.
Quote mining is as worthless as evidence then as it is today.
Now if you would like to test the actual Old Testament we can go over them one at a time yet again but let's do it over at Are any of these prophecies fulfilled by Jesus?.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jaywill
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Message 178 of 1310 (751665)
03-04-2015 5:53 PM
Reply to: Message 177 by jar
03-04-2015 5:42 PM


Re: after the fact nonsense.
I trust Jesus in this over your explanations.
He opened our minds to understand.
Sorry to see that your mind has not been opened to realize Christ is central to the entire Bible.

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jar
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Message 179 of 1310 (751680)
03-04-2015 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 178 by jaywill
03-04-2015 5:53 PM


Re: after the fact nonsense.
jaywill writes:
I trust Jesus in this over your explanations.
He opened our minds to understand.
Sorry to see that your mind has not been opened to realize Christ is central to the entire Bible.
As usual, no support, just bluster. More wheels and globes and visions and fantasies.
Got it.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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ScottRP
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Message 180 of 1310 (751690)
03-04-2015 10:17 PM
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03-04-2015 4:28 PM


Re: many are col;d but few are frozen.
Photographs!

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