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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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Change should reflect the will of the people at large, whose will is NOT represented by SCOTUS' peculiar "evolved" interpretations of the "evolving" Constitution. You are supposed to be an American, Faith. You should have learned this in High School. The entire reason for the way the Constitution, Bill of Rights, our form of government were constructed was to keep the popular tyranny, the "will of the people at large", from control. You can have your majority rule when it comes to whether or not to place a stop sign on this street, but when the issues deal with the rights of people to live in peace, as equals in all things, your majority rule means nothing. The majority has no right to interfere with the rights of the people, any people. We pride ourselves on government of, by and for the People. What we so conveniently forget is that in this country we try to accomplished that by giving protective powers to the Constitution, not the People! The majority Christian tyranny of society in this country is being broken more and more every generation. We continue to try to live up to and expand the guiding principles of individual right. I am continually amazed by people who cannot comprehend, or outright reject, their own history and this, ongoing, American experiment. [abe] Clearly the opinion of that part of The People of which I am a part matters not one whit to you or to SCOTUS or to other liberal elements in today's society. NOW, you begin to understand. The Constitution doesn't give a flip what the majority of the people think. When it comes to individual rights It rules, not us.
You appear to feel quite free to think of society's evolving without our input at all, but that doesn't strike you as even a bit tyrannical? Oooo, the tyranny of Constitutional Rights! Be afraid! Be very afraid! Edited by AZPaul3, : added by edit Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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There are either factual conditions and situations in America over the last decade or so that are similar to those in Nazi Germany in the thirties or there are not. This isn't a "how dare you" matter, it's similarities many people have been observing from different angles for some time now, including some people who lived through the Nazi era IN Germany. I've run across different lists from different sources. Perhaps I'll try to dig some more up. If you or your incendiary sources have EVER talked to ANY survivors of the Nazis then you would know better. This is ignorant hyperbole in its most gross and abominable form. Seems anything you right wingnut Christians don't like is Nazi. Are the brown shirts, 400,000 strong, out here beating, killing and intimidating anyone who disagrees? Are there constant gun battles in Washington by the different parties? And once the Nazis came to power ... Are your shops being set afire with you inside just because you are Christian? Are the lame, disturbed and incompetent being forcibly rounded up and killed in the camps? Are we officially, openly, deliberately attacking, jailing, killing, by the hundreds each day, political opponents, Christians and any other group of people we don't like? You haven't a FUCKING clue!
This isn't a "how dare you" matter... How dare you and yours continue this bullshit! Edited by AZPaul3, : adds
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
...a cake with NO writing on it but say a swastika design. Not a speech issue, right? I'm sure there are other symbols that could be offensive to somebody in the same way. Hammer and sickle? Clenched fists for Black Power maybe. I don't know, you name it. Portrait of a smiling Hitler, or Stalin or Mao. Or George Bush? Not free speech though, right? Wow. How can an American so thoroughly NOT understand "free speech"? Free speech is not just words, Faith. Symbols, marks, pictures, caricatures ... Faith, anything that conveys an idea is "speech" covered by First Amendment rights. Even money! (they got it right but if there was a time for another SCOTUS error that would have been the time). The rest of your message here was covered above. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Now for the good news.
It seems that most Probate Judges in Alabama understand that Roy Moore is just an idiot and bigot and so are issuing same-sex marriage licenses. At least 43 of the 67 counties now comply with the law.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped! |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The entire reason for the way the Constitution, Bill of Rights, our form of government were constructed was to keep the popular tyranny, the "will of the people at large", from control. Actually it was to keep the government tyranny from control of the people whether majority or minority. Majority rule is the foundational principle with minority rights protected.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
"Speech" did get ridiculously extended by the courts over the last few decades.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No, it isn't the Constitution that's ruling us these days, it's the "evolving" justice system whose revisionist interpretations of the Constitution are ruling.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Actually it was to keep the government tyranny from control of the people whether majority or minority. Majority rule is the foundational principle with minority rights protected. Read The Federalist Papers. Understand the reasons the founders did what they did. The tyranny of the majority was to be feared as much as the tyranny of government. Please, Faith, educate yourself before mindlessly regurgitating simplistic slogans.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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"Speech" did get ridiculously extended by the courts over the last few decades. Is that right? Or have we just ruled on each case as it came along? The philosophy of the First Amendment has never wavered. Not necessarily enforced especially during war, but, as any constitutional scholar will tell you, the concept of "freedom of speech" has always been as broadly defined as possible in each and every case brought to the courts. This should make you, and everyone, very happy. Where did you learn (or not learn) your American history? Maybe it's me. I have a very difficult time believing people have such parochial, childish, simplistic views and knowledge of what the founders and the Constitution were trying to accomplish. No one reads beyond their 8th grade history text anymore. How can citizens and patriots be so ignorant?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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No, it isn't the Constitution that's ruling us these days, it's the "evolving" justice system whose revisionist interpretations of the Constitution are ruling. So you would rather have this nation ruled by emotional whim than ruled by law? Do you understand the concept of "rule of law"? And don't even mention the "majority". Good god, I can't believe I'm having to giving lessons in remedial civics.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Right and now it's your interpretation of the Federalist Papers, which you are placing over all other points of view, that I'm supposed to assume is superior to all others, and without evidence too.
In any case when government starts actively violating the commandments of God, which DID used to be taken VERY seriously even by the nonChristian Founders, the nation is due for a radical shaking up. For a nation officially to elevate a class of sinners to the status of an Oppressed Minority is egregious offense enough, but to grant that class special status and extend God's ordination of marriage as a "right" to it, that is clearly defined by God as for a man and a woman only, is to take this nation into such evil it may never recover. Drop the "may," WON'T ever recover, barring a miracle. So be it, then, that's what the "people," according to you, want, at least those few who call themselves the People, while the other 99% who don't want it are just dog food I guess. It isn't only Christians who have always regarded homosexuality as no legitimate class of people but at least aberrant if not exactly sinners, to whom the idea of gay marriage wouldn't even occur and if it did would also be thought evil. But the best way to answer you would be to muster all the voluminous evidence of the overwhelmingly Christian character of the nation, even among the nonChristians, up until about half a century ago, but I'm not up to it and you aren't listening anyway. To my mind you are the bigot, but you have the Powers That Be on your side at the moment so it's you who get to call me names instead.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No, it isn't the Constitution that's ruling us these days, it's the "evolving" justice system whose revisionist interpretations of the Constitution are ruling.
So you would rather have this nation ruled by emotional whim than ruled by law? My point was that law has been abandoned, the Constitution has been abandoned, and the revisionist interpretations in its place ARE the same as ruling by emotional whim, the latest subjective twisting of the law. No more Law is the point, nothing but faddish subjectivity, which in a fallen race is only going to take the nation into the sewer.
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5
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In any case when government starts actively violating the commandments of God, ...
Stop right there. This is anti-American bullshit. Read the first amendment non-establishment clause. "Actively violating the commandments of God" does not fit with it.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Read the first amendment non-establishment clause. "Actively violating the commandments of God" does not fit with it. Only according to today's revisionist dogma, not according to the Founders who very actively supported Biblical principles in the governing of the nation.
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2332 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined:
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Odd how they forgot to actually add that to the Constitution.... hhhmmm
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