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RAZD Member (Idle past 1579 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Not content with misinformation about evolution and the age of the earth ...
quote: Teaching hate and bigotry on top of false information ... leaves the students ignorant, misinformed and ill-suited for respectful public interaction with other people. Wow. Do check out Jonny Scaramanga's blog. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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AdminAsgara Administrator (Idle past 2477 days) Posts: 2073 From: The Universe Joined: |
Thread copied here from the Creationist Schooling at its worst ... thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4577 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.8
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Teaching hate and bigotry on top of false information ... leaves the students ignorant, misinformed and ill-suited for respectful public interaction with other people. Wow. Wow, indeed. Perfectly suited to seek public office in state legislatures or as governors, but also over qualified for the U.S. Congress as evidenced by the majority in both houses right now. And look at the line up wanting the White House. What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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Stile Member (Idle past 218 days) Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
RAZD writes: Thanks to a bill pushed through by governor Bobby Jindal, thousands of students in Louisiana received state voucher money, transferred from public school funding, to attend private religious schools... Not that I'm an expert or anything... but that sounds kinda against-the-constitution or something.Government-funded religious schools? I wonder if we have these in Canada, too. Bah, we still have the Catholic school system in Ontario (publicly funded Catholic education).But it's not really like what this article is describing. The Catholic school system here is actually pretty fair and decent. I went through it myself, actually. As far as I can tell it just seems to add a few extra school-assemblies for Easter and Christmas mass. I don't think they have a significantly different curriculum or anything like that. In some cases, the Catholic school system has been reported to produce a better over-all education, even.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1579 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Not that I'm an expert or anything... but that sounds kinda against-the-constitution or something. Government-funded religious schools? Indeed it should be, but this is the gambit of the GOP to shoehorn religious teaching into taxpayer funding. They argue that vouchers allow parents to choose the school for their kids, which they do have, so the question is whether it should be funded by tax dollars. That is where the issue gets muddy. If it is a secular school, like the Montessori schools there is no conflict ... If it is a Catholic School with "a few extra school-assemblies for Easter and Christmas mass" and without "a significantly different curriculum" and it gets muddy if the kids have to attend the assemblies ... The trouble really arises though when the curriculum is different, especially when it includes false information and religious indoctrination. The schools described in the article seem to me to be the opposite of the Montessori program, authoritarian, suppressive and with religious indoctrination coupled with racial and homophobic bigotry. Without including the religious indoctrination these schools should be shut down and sued for teaching falsehoods and racial and homophobic bigotry and hate. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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JonF Member (Idle past 342 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
The school has to inappropriately teach religion, and somebody with standing has to complain, before an legal action can be taken.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
and sued for teaching falsehoods and racial and homophobic bigotry and hate. What would be the legal theory behind such a law suit? Is it really illegal to teach falsehoods, bigotry, and/or hate? Je Suis Charlie Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1579 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
What would be the legal theory behind such a law suit? Is it really illegal to teach falsehoods, bigotry, and/or hate? You could start with anti-hate legislation, but if you are receiving money to teach a curriculum compatible with the public school, then there should be fines etc if they don't Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
You could start with anti-hate legislation, but if you are receiving money to teach a curriculum compatible with the public school, then there should be fines etc if they don't There should be fines? Well are there fines? Why don't you cite some enacted anti-hate legislation that you think would work against teaching lies and bigotry. I don't believe there is any legislation that would give you a cause of action as long as the hate does not cross a free speech line and is not delivered by a State employee. FWIW, North Carolina public school history books have documented lies in them right now. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Je Suis Charlie Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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