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Author Topic:   Is the Bible the inerrant word of God? Or is it the words of men?
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Message 2218 of 2241 (749386)
02-04-2015 5:25 AM
Reply to: Message 2217 by Faith
02-04-2015 5:13 AM


Re: Hell and salvation -- or not -- therefrom
Unique doesn't mean better, or true. And the Calvinist "solution" has to be the worst around. Being lucky enough to be one of the few selected to be spared isn't much of a solution. Especially as Calvin tells us that the whole problem was intentionally created by God in the first place.

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Message 2220 of 2241 (749388)
02-04-2015 5:46 AM
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02-04-2015 5:28 AM


Re: Hell and salvation -- or not -- therefrom
So Calvinism isn't Christian? Or is so insignificant a part of Christianity that it should be ignored? Or should it just be ignored because you - now - disagree with it? So far as I can see, according to Calvinism, Jesus only died for the sins of the Elect- the rest of us get nothing for it at all, and aren't meant to get anything out of it.
Anyway, Jesus dying for our sins doesn't seem to be special in any way that would make me think that it was likely to be true.

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Message 2222 of 2241 (749390)
02-04-2015 6:08 AM
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02-04-2015 5:52 AM


Re: Hell and salvation -- or not -- therefrom
You left the Calvinism discussion because you disagreed with Calvin.
With regard to election it really doesn't matter if I am Elect or not. If the statement "Jesus died for our sins" is only true when one of the Elect is speaking to others who are all also Elect, it is not a general truth, as other Christian denominations would claim. The Elect are a small minority.
And really it's not a question of "seeing" how special the Christian"solution" to Hell is, it's a question of how to get from there to the conclusion that Christianity is likely to be true. And if that is just a subjective impression then it is not a good argument

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Message 2224 of 2241 (749397)
02-04-2015 8:03 AM
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02-04-2015 6:27 AM


Re: Hell and salvation -- or not -- therefrom
There's a lot I could say, but to stick to the more relevant points.
Firstly, I don't have to second-guess who is and is not Elect. You do. If you say that Jesus died for my sins then you're saying that I am one of the Elect. I don't have to justify your statements.
And, in case you hadn't noticed this is a debate. If you're just preaching at me in the hope of convincing me to be saved, don't bother. It's hard not to respond sarcastically, but suffice to say that when I went to Church I was taught that we should be good examples, that people should wish that they could be like us. And you are a long, long way from that.

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Message 2233 of 2241 (749440)
02-04-2015 5:55 PM


Biblical Inerrancy disrespects the Bible
The Bible has contradictions. This is a fact.
You can be so blind that you cannot tell the difference between seeing the light and not seeing the light.
You can construct implausible and contrived scenarios that fit the letter of conflicting accounts
You can try to reconcile the details while ignoring the story those details are telling.
And every time you do any of those things you reject what the Bible is saying.

  
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