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jar
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Message 1110 of 1309 (742148)
11-17-2014 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 1109 by Faith
11-17-2014 2:32 PM


Re: Congratulations to the Devil!
Try truth Faith.
Melissa Klein wanted to have a business for selling wedding cakes and she did have it for a while until the Devil's targeting of Christians picked her out and took it away from her.
Bullshit Faith.
It was not Christians that were targeted but only bigots and companies that violate the law.
You seem to feel quite free to tell other people how they should feel about having their life's dream taking out from under them for no fault of their own.
No, I do not tell anyone how they should feel but rather only that a company can not discriminate. I am quite sure she does feel bad and I'm sorry she feels that way, but the problem was most definitely of her own making and her own fault.
Slavery was historically valid. Separate but equal was historically valid. No Irish need apply was historically valid. No Jews allowed was historically valid.
But they are still illegal.

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jar
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Message 1125 of 1309 (742173)
11-17-2014 5:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1124 by Faith
11-17-2014 5:13 PM


More stuff for Faith to learn.
More stuff you can learn Faith.
The US Court of Appeals for the 6th District covers Kentucky, Michigan, Ohio and Tennessee.
It is irrelevant when discussing the Bakery case.

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jar
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Message 1138 of 1309 (742193)
11-17-2014 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1134 by Faith
11-17-2014 6:38 PM


Re: Sixth District Circuit Court Ruling for Gay Marriage Bans
Faith writes:
Marriage has to do with the objective physical fit of male and female.
Bullshit Faith.
Marriage is a secular contract. It has always been. It was during the time of Abraham, it was at the time of Jesus, it is today.
And we are far more moral today than Jesus was. When it comes to stoning people we do not say as Jesus did "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." we say "Don't throw stones period."

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jar
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Message 1140 of 1309 (742197)
11-17-2014 8:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1139 by Faith
11-17-2014 7:39 PM


More to learn Faith
Faith writes:
It doesn't make sense for two of the same sex.
Often visiting privileges in hospitals are limited to family members only and including spouses.
Many laws, rules and regulations use the term spouse to determine rights, duties, responsibilities and privileges.
Spouses have particular legal standing when it comes to confidentiality, inheritance, estates.
Income taxes are different for single and married parties.
All of those are valid whether we are speaking of a man woman, man man or woman woman marriage.

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jar
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Message 1154 of 1309 (742224)
11-18-2014 8:32 AM
Reply to: Message 1145 by Faith
11-18-2014 12:29 AM


Re: Getting the legalities into perspective
I outlined the reason to use the term marriage and the biggest is that there are literally tens of thousands of instances where the words marriage or spouse are included. Even finding all such instances is near impossible as the attempt by Christian Creationist Conmen to change the wording in Of Pandas and People proved.

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jar
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Message 1161 of 1309 (742237)
11-18-2014 10:53 AM


Short summary
Well, we have now gone through over a thousand posts and the only objections that have been presented are that homosexual behavior and same sex marriage have been considered a abhorrent by some chapters of Club Christian historically.
No one disputes that. Slavery was historically valid as was stoning folk and crucifixion and arranged marriages and indentured servitude and a host of other things now generally not allowed in the US. In addition practices once banned such as marriage between races are now acceptable.
In the case of same-sex marriages in the US we are still in the transition period relating to allowing universal same-sex marriage in the US.
Very compelling reasons (see Message 1140 and Message 1143 and Message 1146 and Message 1159 ) have been presented for allowing same-sex marriages and no real rebuttal offered other than tradition ...
Who, day and night, must scramble for a living,
Feed a wife and children, say his daily prayers?
And who has the right, as master of the house,
To have the final word at home?
The papa, the papa! Tradition.
The papa, the papa! Tradition.
Who must know the way to make a proper home,
A quiet home, a kosher home?
Who must raise the family and run the home,
So Papa's free to read the holy books?
The mama, the mama! Tradition!
The mama, the mama! Tradition!
...
In addition, no church well be forced to perform or recognize same-sex marriages any more than the Roman Catholic Christian church has been forced to marry divorced couples or the Jewish faith has been forced to abandon the practice of "Gets".
The solution really is simply.
If you personally believe homosexuality is a sin, don't enter into homosexual relationships.
If your Chapter of Club Christian does not want to perform same-sex marriages, don't perform same-sex marriages.
If your Chapter of Club Christian does not want to recognize same-sex marriages as valid then your Chapter of Club Christian is perfectly free to remain ignorant of reality.
In the US individuals are still free to hold even the most ridiculous beliefs and to present their position and beliefs, even the most vile and evil ones.
But if you are a business, obey the law. Don't discriminate.
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jar
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Message 1186 of 1309 (742279)
11-18-2014 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1185 by Faith
11-18-2014 3:01 PM


Re: Congratulations to the Devil
No special rights are granted to homosexuals. You need to try truth Faith.

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jar
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Message 1191 of 1309 (742287)
11-18-2014 3:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1188 by Faith
11-18-2014 3:26 PM


Re: Congratulations to the Devil
Since when is getting married a special right and different than any other licensed contractual agreement?

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jar
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Message 1196 of 1309 (742310)
11-18-2014 6:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1195 by Faith
11-18-2014 6:16 PM


Try truth Faith
Faith writes:
Yes the majority opinion has been going against Christians for some time.
Bullshit Faith. The majority is not against Christians but against bigotry, hate and the brand of Christianity you try to market.

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jar
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Message 1202 of 1309 (742347)
11-19-2014 8:41 AM
Reply to: Message 1201 by Phat
11-19-2014 6:08 AM


Communion yet again, and again, and again
Phat writes:
You always taught that asking Jesus into your heart was silly. A way to avoid personal responsibility and let God do everything. You had one thing right, however. Being saved is an everyday thing. It is not a quick nor easy fix. It is not a way to avoid responsibility. My point is, you will never be able to do your best nor try your hardest on your own strength. You need communion.
Why is communion necessary?
What are the tests to show that communion exists?
What are the tests to determine who you be communing wit?
How come so many folk seem to be able to do their best without such communion?
How does communion provide something other than your own strength?
What strength other than their own strength can someone have?

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Message 1207 of 1309 (742379)
11-19-2014 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 1206 by Taq
11-19-2014 11:36 AM


Re: Just Wait a Bit
And god gave Israel the only spot in the Middle East with NO friggin oil?

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jar
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Message 1237 of 1309 (748245)
01-23-2015 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1236 by Faith
01-23-2015 9:31 PM


support?
Faith writes:
If you are talking about the instances of Christian business people, none of them denied general service to gays, a "class of people," only services that support gay marriage which they oppose.
HUH?
How does a wedding cake support a marriage? Are marriages without a cake still valid?
I don't think you have ever explained that to us.

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jar
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Message 1242 of 1309 (748289)
01-24-2015 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1239 by Faith
01-24-2015 12:21 PM


more bullshit Faith
Faith writes:
Right, of course you would. So you'll drive all Christians out of business, which is at least along the lines of what prophecy tells us to expect.
That's just more at best, bullshit, in reality lies from you Faith. It would drive no one out of business and only prevent bigots from discriminating against innocent people.
Remember Faith, not all Christians oppose same sex marriage or condemn homosexuality; it is only the Christian Cult of Ignorance and "Biblical Christians" that deny what the Bible actually says that hold such sill positions.
Have you ever tried to support how a wedding cake actually supports or validates a wedding?

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jar
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Message 1244 of 1309 (748293)
01-24-2015 12:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1243 by Faith
01-24-2015 12:40 PM


Re: more bullshit Faith
Faith writes:
Sure, if YOU are defining what a Christian is then you don't have to notice when the orthodox Christians are driven out of business and you can content yourself with dismissing us as bigots. Very effective method of bigotry on YOUR part, I congratulate you all.
You just can't resist posting stuff just to make you look silly can you Faith?
I'm not the one defining who a Christian is, in fact I am the one who accepts that a Christian is a Christian if they are a member of one of the Chapters of Club Christian.
But you claim that your Chapter of Club Christian is orthodox while other Chapters are not. Which of us is defining what a Christian is?

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jar
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Message 1246 of 1309 (748303)
01-24-2015 1:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1245 by Faith
01-24-2015 1:09 PM


Re: more bullshit Faith
Faith writes:
I didn't say I'm NOT defining what a Christian is, but it's YOUR definition that turns us into bigots and gets our businesses closed.
You just keep placing the ball on the tee for me don't you Faith?
My definition doesn't even exist, I accept other peoples claim to be Christians. It is their behavior not their beliefs that make them bigots. They are free to believe homosexuality is an aberration and free to not marry or have sex with folk that are the same sex. The question you have never bothered to try to answer is how baking a wedding cake in any way supports or validates a marriage?

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