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ringo
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Message 600 of 1309 (740530)
11-05-2014 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 597 by Faith
11-05-2014 3:00 PM


Re: I Re: Second Thoughts
Faith writes:
But the business will not serve an ideology or principle that is opposed by their religion.
And the society that licenses the business is free to refuse a license if the business' policies violate society's standards.

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ringo
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Message 656 of 1309 (740751)
11-07-2014 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 644 by Larni
11-06-2014 1:35 PM


Larni writes:
The world you live in must be terrifying.
quote:
John 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
Somebody must have censored that verse from Faith's Bible.

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ringo
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Message 658 of 1309 (740762)
11-07-2014 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 657 by Faith
11-07-2014 12:26 PM


Faith writes:
The world IS terrifying to those who understand what's going on.
Sure, there are scary things going on in the world - but a couple of guys who want to marry each other aren't as scary as the people who want to stop them.

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ringo
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Message 737 of 1309 (740921)
11-08-2014 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 659 by Faith
11-07-2014 12:52 PM


Faith writes:
I thought we were talking about the One/New World Order.
Only insofar as it applies to homosexuality, evo, creo and ID, which is not very much.
Faith writes:
However, the idea that marriage applies to homosexuals is certainly one of the thousands of signs that the world is upside down and headed for disaster.
The world has always been headed for disaster. We've passed through most of them, scathed but still alive. Some day there may be a disaster that we don't survive. That one, according to you, will be caused by your petty, sadistic "God".
And "our" world has always been "upside down" to people on the other side. It's relative.

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ringo
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Message 739 of 1309 (740928)
11-08-2014 11:15 AM
Reply to: Message 738 by Faith
11-08-2014 11:06 AM


quote:
2 Peter 3:3-4: Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
Good one.
No doubt there were scoffers on day one and on year one and on decade one. There were still scoffers after a century and after a millennium. No surprises that there are still scoffers after two millennia.
So how do tell the difference between two millennia and ten millennia?

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ringo
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Message 741 of 1309 (740940)
11-08-2014 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 740 by Faith
11-08-2014 12:05 PM


Faith writes:
Well, technically speaking the Last Days began with the coming of the Messiah, so they've been with us for two millennia....
For truth in advertising, you should call them the Last Eons.

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ringo
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Message 1205 of 1309 (742373)
11-19-2014 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 1201 by Phat
11-19-2014 6:08 AM


Re: Try truth Faith
Phat writes:
People cannot live and do as Jesus the "living example" did if we see him as only human.
On the contrary, an example must be realistic; a goal must be attainable. How can we be all that we can be if the "example" is something we can not be?

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ringo
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Message 1213 of 1309 (742462)
11-20-2014 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 1209 by Faith
11-19-2014 1:58 PM


Re: Just Wait a Bit
Faith writes:
They are God's instrument of judgment right now, but they'll have their turn at being judged.
God uses the Nazis to judge the Jews. God uses the Allies to judge the Nazis. God uses the Communist bloc to judge the Allies. God uses NATO to judge the Communist bloc. God uses terrorists to judge NATO.

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ringo
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Message 1215 of 1309 (742467)
11-20-2014 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1214 by Faith
11-20-2014 12:04 PM


Re: Just Wait a Bit
Faith writes:
Not everything is judgment.
So how do you determine what is judgement in your own pontifications?

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ringo
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Message 1220 of 1309 (742602)
11-22-2014 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 1216 by Faith
11-20-2014 1:38 PM


Re: Just Wait a Bit
Faith writes:
I don't try to determine it in many cases, sometimes it's just clear that something is judgment.
Sometimes, when I'm walking down the street, I'll think, "Ice cream!" I don't try to determine why I want ice cream, though it's very clear that I do. Must be a sign from God.

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ringo
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Message 1238 of 1309 (748282)
01-24-2015 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 1236 by Faith
01-23-2015 9:31 PM


Faith writes:
If you are talking about the instances of Christian business people, none of them denied general service to gays, a "class of people," only services that support gay marriage which they oppose.
There's a difference between the cake and the words on the cake. If you refused to bake a cake for a gay wedding, I'd revoke your business license. If you refused to write "God loves fags" on a cake, I'd support you.

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ringo
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Message 1240 of 1309 (748286)
01-24-2015 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1239 by Faith
01-24-2015 12:21 PM


Faith writes:
So you'll drive all Christians out of business....
No, the bigots will drive themselves out of business, by violating the community standards, just like they would if they operated an unhygienic kitchen. The Christians will do unto others as they would have others do unto them.

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ringo
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Message 1265 of 1309 (748396)
01-25-2015 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1241 by Faith
01-24-2015 12:29 PM


Faith writes:
Of course, "bigots" according to you are those who refuse to give up the tenets of their religion, as long as it's the orthodox Biblical Christian religion.
You should stop trying to read my mind. You're really bad at it.
Faith writes:
But you wouldn't call a Muslim a bigot for refusing to give up FGM would you?
A Muslim would be a bigot if he wanted to force his standards on YOU, like you want to force your standards on homosexuals.
Faith writes:
... YOU're the bigot with the irrational standards, who gives yourself the right to tell us what we should believe....
I don`t tell you what to believe. In fact, I defend your right to believe any stupid thing you want to believe. What I oppose is trying to impose your beliefs on other people.

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ringo
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Message 1270 of 1309 (748469)
01-26-2015 11:07 AM
Reply to: Message 1266 by Faith
01-25-2015 4:36 PM


Faith writes:
That's what you call depriving people of their business for acting on their religious beliefs?
I haven't said anything about "depriving people of their business". What I've said is that people can deprive THEMSELVES of their own business by refusing to comply with community standards. If they keep a filthy kitchen, or refuse to serve black people or homosexuals, they are violating community standards and are not entitled to a business license. Their religious beliefs do not entitle them to dictate community standards.

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ringo
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Message 1288 of 1309 (748606)
01-27-2015 11:02 AM
Reply to: Message 1274 by Faith
01-26-2015 1:21 PM


Faith writes:
... but your position IS a violation of my First Amendment right to act on my religious beliefs by refusing a particular service that violates them.
You're not listening. I agree that you have every right to deny services for whatever petty reasons your religion dictates. But the community you live in also has every right to deny you a business license.

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