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Jon
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Message 91 of 101 (747612)
01-17-2015 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 86 by jar
01-02-2015 11:43 AM


Re: Looking At The Evidence
Jesus is recognized as a prophet by both Islam and Judaism.
Really? Judaism?

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jar
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Message 92 of 101 (747615)
01-17-2015 10:50 AM
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01-17-2015 10:40 AM


Re: Looking At The Evidence
Yes, in the Talmud there are a couple passages that may refer to Jesus as being prophetic and doing wonders, but certainly not a major prophet and the connection is tenuous at best.

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Jon
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Message 93 of 101 (747617)
01-17-2015 11:04 AM
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01-17-2015 10:50 AM


Re: Looking At The Evidence
What passages in particular lead you to the "tenuous at best" conclusion that "Jesus is recognized as a prophet by . . . Judaism."?

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jar
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Message 94 of 101 (747619)
01-17-2015 11:10 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by Jon
01-17-2015 11:04 AM


Re: Looking At The Evidence
I'm not sure how to answer that. Do I know of a passage in the Talmud that says "Jesus is a prophet!" No. Are there passages that mention a miracle worker who speaks prophetically? Sure, both in the Talmud and also in the New Testament. Some in Luke come to mind. Remember the Hebrews have a history of ignoring prophets and even killing them.

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Jon
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Message 95 of 101 (747625)
01-17-2015 12:05 PM
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01-17-2015 11:10 AM


Re: Looking At The Evidence
Are there passages that mention a miracle worker who speaks prophetically? Sure
And what passages would those be? What do they say?
quote:
Sanhedrin 11:
Our Rabbis taught: Since the death of the last prophets, Haggai, Zechariah and Malachai, the Holy Spirit [of prophetic inspiration] departed from Israel; yet they were still able to avail themselves of the Bath-kol.
Remember the Hebrews have a history of ignoring prophets and even killing them.
Of course. But the issue is whether the Hebrews recognize(d) a specific man as a prophet.
Edited by Jon, : No reason given.

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jar
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Message 96 of 101 (747626)
01-17-2015 1:48 PM
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01-17-2015 12:05 PM


Re: Looking At The Evidence
So let's use the term Rabbi instead of Prophet. Is that better? The very section you link includes such assertions.

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Jon
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Message 97 of 101 (747629)
01-17-2015 2:33 PM
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01-17-2015 1:48 PM


Re: Looking At The Evidence
So let's use the term Rabbi instead of Prophet. Is that better?
Sure. That's definitely nearer the truth. But what does that make of your earlier response to Phat's question of whether Jesus has any meaning to Jews?
quote:
jar in Message 86:
Jesus is recognized as a prophet by both Islam and Judaism.
Is Jesus recognized as a prophet by Islam and a rabbi by Judaism?

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jar
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Message 98 of 101 (747632)
01-17-2015 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Jon
01-17-2015 2:33 PM


Re: Looking At The Evidence
LOL
In the New Testament Jesus is referred to as Rabbi in passages that are attributed to being written by Jews.
I hope you're having fun with this because it seems pretty silly.

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Jon
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Message 99 of 101 (747640)
01-17-2015 4:21 PM
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01-17-2015 2:45 PM


Re: Looking At The Evidence
In the New Testament Jesus is referred to as Rabbi in passages that are attributed to being written by Jews.
But that wasn't my question. Let me repeat it for you:
But what does that make of your earlier response to Phat's question of whether Jesus has any meaning to Jews?
quote:
jar in Message 86:
Jesus is recognized as a prophet by both Islam and Judaism.
Is Jesus recognized as a prophet by Islam and a rabbi by Judaism?
What meaning does Jesus have to Jews? And how much? Is it even the same kind of meaning that Phat was asking about?

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jar
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Message 100 of 101 (747647)
01-17-2015 5:49 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by Jon
01-17-2015 4:21 PM


Re: Looking At The Evidence
Phat writes:
What meaning does Jesus have to Jews? And how much? Is it even the same kind of meaning that Phat was asking about?
Well Rabbi means a teacher. Does that help?
I often have absolutely no idea what Phat is asking about.

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Jon
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Message 101 of 101 (747655)
01-17-2015 8:35 PM
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01-17-2015 5:49 PM


Re: Looking At The Evidence
Well Rabbi means a teacher. Does that help?
So not much meaning at all, then?
I often have absolutely no idea what Phat is asking about.
His question was pretty clear, as was its intent.
Jesus has no meaning to Jews. He is of no significance whatsoever. The only reason Jews have anything to say about Jesus is because of his relationship to Christianity. Were there no Christianity, there would be nothing today to say about Jesus, by Jews or by anyone else.

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