The Specific Cause of the "Evolution vs. 'Creationism'" Controversy, and of the appar

"Proof" implies objectivity.Edited by ringo, : Fixed quote.

The only challenge a bare assertion needs is another assertion. Sure, he wanted us to disprove the statement to his satisfaction. I don't give a flying @#$% about that. I'm just pointing out to any sensible person reading this thread that his challenge is completely empty.

That's cute and rhythmic. But it's not true in this case. In particular, Genesis says nothing about what is required to be born again, so your 'another assertion' is woefully short of even being responsive, let alone meeting the challenge. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

You make my point. Genesis is not related to being born again, so the "challenge" is empty.

ringo, you are twisting in the breeze because you don't have a point.Remember that your initial claim was that you could just redefine. Now you are claiming to have agreed with me all along. Total BS.

You don't have to work so hard at misunderstanding.I'm not agreeing with you. I'm saying that your "point" is nonsense. You're going in both directions at once and running into yourself.

I understand completely. You are employing the same silly argument style you use in every thread.

A little more meaningful content, please, and a little less editorializing.

My point did not relate Genesis to regeneration. My specific point was that a belief in the validity of evolution is not in any way a hindrance to someone receiving Christ as their Savior: by the Father embodied in the Son becoming the life-giving Spirit to enter into and become mingled with their human spirit.

Being born again is a matter of life, not knowledge. It is NOT believing in a philosophy, religion, or determining to practice certain ethics or morals. You have a physical existence because you were born biologically of a physical father. God is Spirit. Human beings are created with a human spirit to contain God. Being born again is what happens when a human being realizes and recognizes that God became a man to reach and redeem mankind whom He loves. You simply receive all that the Father is and that the Son accomplished as a free eternal gift as the Spirit into your spirit. Simple. God now has a name, and that name is Jesus. Call His name and recognize Him as Lord "No one can say 'Jesus is Lord' except in the sSpirit". and you will be born again with God as eternal life, becoming your Father. It has to be realized experientially, subjectively.

The problem with your point is that evolution is a hindrance to somebody accepting Christ as their Saviour if they believe it's a hindrance. Their belief in the hindrance doesn't have to be any more rational than their belief in Christ, so you can't rationalize it away.

The problem is, evolution is GARBAGE essentially. Dead pre-historic bones are garbage and any knowledge derived from them is garbage according to the GIGO principle

An utter lie.As an archaeologist I have analyzed perhaps a thousand skeletons (prehistoric but not fossilized). And you are telling me I can't learn anything from all of those?And certainly the Native American descendants I deal with would not be amused by you calling the bones of their ancestors "garbage."Maybe you should go troll elsewhere...

Second. Distilling so much stupidity and error into such a short post takes a certain talent. And the only one AlexCaledin is fooling is himself. Classic Cognitive Dissonance, attempting to resolve his dissonance by disparaging the conflicting information. His problems are several fold:

1. Evolution does not depend on nor is it derived from fossil bones, it is derived from living populations.
2. His "logical" structure is fatally flawed, as his conclusion does not follow from his precept, it's a non-sequitur.
   - any knowledge derived from Uranium is Uranium?
3. Calling something garbage does not make it so.

For starters.Out of interest I looked up the definition

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Definition of garbage
1 a : food waste
   b : discarded or useless material
2 a : trash 1b
   b : inaccurate or useless data

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The last definition is what GIGO refers to, while it takes a stretch to apply the first definition to a fossil bone, meaning he has used the fallacy of equivocation - using the word with different meanings.Curiously, I also looked up compost:

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Definition of compost
1 : a mixture that consists largely of decayed organic matter and is used for fertilizing and conditioning land
2 : mixture, compound

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Compost is "used for fertilizing and conditioning land" so it's not garbage.Sadly, AlexCaledin will continue to have cognitive dissonance problems, because evolution is real and it is occurring all around him, he will keep bumping into it.The best way to resolve cognitive dissonance is to accept reality and discard falsified beliefs.EnjoyEdited by RAZD, : .Edited by RAZD, : .

Everything you've heard about evolution is garbage. On creationist websites, you'll get nothing but garbage in.If you have anything to say that isn't parroted garbage from creationists, we have lots of topics here.