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Author | Topic: The Specific Cause of the "Evolution vs. 'Creationism'" Controversy, and of the appar | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
ringo Member (Idle past 664 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
"Proof" implies objectivity. ringo writes:
Objectively or subjectively? He can, however, be proven wrong by using a different definition. Edited by ringo, : Fixed quote.
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ringo Member (Idle past 664 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
The only challenge a bare assertion needs is another assertion.
You claimed to be taking up the challenge, but you actually did not bother to do anything but assert. NoNukes writes:
Sure, he wanted us to disprove the statement to his satisfaction. I don't give a flying @#$% about that. I'm just pointing out to any sensible person reading this thread that his challenge is completely empty.
But it also contained a challenge to disprove his statement.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
The only challenge a bare assertion needs is another assertion. That's cute and rhythmic. But it's not true in this case. In particular, Genesis says nothing about what is required to be born again, so your 'another assertion' is woefully short of even being responsive, let alone meeting the challenge. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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ringo Member (Idle past 664 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
You make my point. Genesis is not related to being born again, so the "challenge" is empty.
In particular, Genesis says nothing about what is required to be born again....
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
You make my point. Genesis is not related to being born again, so the "challenge" is empty. ringo, you are twisting in the breeze because you don't have a point. Remember that your initial claim was that you could just redefine. Now you are claiming to have agreed with me all along. Total BS.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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ringo Member (Idle past 664 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
You don't have to work so hard at misunderstanding. Remember that your initial claim was that you could just redefine. Now you are claiming to have agreed with me all along. I'm not agreeing with you. I'm saying that your "point" is nonsense. You're going in both directions at once and running into yourself.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
You don't have to work so hard at misunderstanding. I understand completely. You are employing the same silly argument style you use in every thread. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Admin Director Posts: 13107 From: EvC Forum Joined: |
A little more meaningful content, please, and a little less editorializing.
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PaulGL Member (Idle past 3640 days) Posts: 92 Joined: |
My point did not relate Genesis to regeneration. My specific point was that a belief in the validity of evolution is not in any way a hindrance to someone receiving Christ as their Savior: by the Father embodied in the Son becoming the life-giving Spirit to enter into and become mingled with their human spirit.
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PaulGL Member (Idle past 3640 days) Posts: 92 Joined: |
Being born again is a matter of life, not knowledge. It is NOT believing in a philosophy, religion, or determining to practice certain ethics or morals. You have a physical existence because you were born biologically of a physical father. God is Spirit. Human beings are created with a human spirit to contain God. Being born again is what happens when a human being realizes and recognizes that God became a man to reach and redeem mankind whom He loves. You simply receive all that the Father is and that the Son accomplished as a free eternal gift as the Spirit into your spirit. Simple. God now has a name, and that name is Jesus. Call His name and recognize Him as Lord "No one can say 'Jesus is Lord' except in the sSpirit". and you will be born again with God as eternal life, becoming your Father. It has to be realized experientially, subjectively.
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ringo Member (Idle past 664 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
PaulGL writes:
The problem with your point is that evolution is a hindrance to somebody accepting Christ as their Saviour if they believe it's a hindrance. Their belief in the hindrance doesn't have to be any more rational than their belief in Christ, so you can't rationalize it away.
My specific point was that a belief in the validity of evolution is not in any way a hindrance to someone receiving Christ as their Savior: by the Father embodied in the Son becoming the life-giving Spirit to enter into and become mingled with their human spirit.
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AlexCaledin Member (Idle past 665 days) Posts: 64 From: Samara, Russia Joined: |
The problem is, evolution is GARBAGE essentially. Dead pre-historic bones are garbage and any knowledge derived from them is garbage according to the GIGO principle
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2358 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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The problem is, evolution is GARBAGE essentially. Dead pre-historic bones are garbage and any knowledge derived from them is garbage according to the GIGO principle An utter lie. As an archaeologist I have analyzed perhaps a thousand skeletons (prehistoric but not fossilized). And you are telling me I can't learn anything from all of those? And certainly the Native American descendants I deal with would not be amused by you calling the bones of their ancestors "garbage." Maybe you should go troll elsewhere...Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1657 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Stupidest post of the month... Second. Distilling so much stupidity and error into such a short post takes a certain talent.
The problem is, evolution is GARBAGE essentially. Dead pre-historic bones are garbage and any knowledge derived from them is garbage according to the GIGO principle An utter lie. And the only one AlexCaledin is fooling is himself. Classic Cognitive Dissonance, attempting to resolve his dissonance by disparaging the conflicting information. His problems are several fold:
For starters. Out of interest I looked up the definition
quote: The last definition is what GIGO refers to, while it takes a stretch to apply the first definition to a fossil bone, meaning he has used the fallacy of equivocation - using the word with different meanings. Curiously, I also looked up compost:
quote: Compost is "used for fertilizing and conditioning land" so it's not garbage. Sadly, AlexCaledin will continue to have cognitive dissonance problems, because evolution is real and it is occurring all around him, he will keep bumping into it. The best way to resolve cognitive dissonance is to accept reality and discard falsified beliefs. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : . Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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ringo Member (Idle past 664 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Alex Caledin writes:
Everything you've heard about evolution is garbage. On creationist websites, you'll get nothing but garbage in. Dead pre-historic bones are garbage and any knowledge derived from them is garbage according to the GIGO principle If you have anything to say that isn't parroted garbage from creationists, we have lots of topics here.
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