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I don't know why you should think the Tower of Babel IS a myth or the story of Samson a legend. Both are presented within a historical narrative that gives no clue that they are anything but historical facts.

The Bible is meant to be learned from. If you just dismiss it because it doesn't sound right to you then you'll never learn anything from it, which is of course the stance you've taken so there's not much I can say. The Tower of Babel episode hints at something very dangerous for mankind if God hadn't thwarted it.Samson is an example of some kind of supernatural or miraculous doings, which makes the story suspect to a modern man. What can I say? I'm a simple reader of the Bible, I believe it. God chose him to be a Nazirite and gave him incredible strength as long as he didn't cut his hair. It's the story of an impetuous sinner who was deceived by a woman and had to come back to God the hard way. I just believe it, you can't, way it goes. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

They both witness to God in their own way, but when I used that term I was talking about the great miracles that were done by God, and Jesus, for the specific purpose of proving who they are, miracles attested by many whose reactions are reported. These two stories aren't given for that purpose. They are to be believed, however, on the basis that the Bible is the word of God.Of course you don't see the implication of the Tower of Babel event, as I said.

Evidence is necessary to faith.
Evidence for Christian faith is the Bible, all of it, but particularly the evidence given for the miracles.
It would be nice to have evidence external to the Bible but people deny the claims to that and my argument is that the Bible is sufficient, external evidence is not needed.
Evidence for inerrancy is fulfilled prophecy. People here deny this and I don't want to get involved in another futile discussion.
This is just a summary and to emphasize I believe evidence is necessary to faith.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

That'll do.

I suppose you know that's a rip-off of the biblical prophets, and are simply indulging in mockery, right?

Do you actually think that's what it says?

Perhaps some do read it as yesterday's news, that would explain your take on it for instance. I read it as eternally relevant myself.

Oh AREN'T you CLEVERRRRR. Wow. You are all SO clever at defeating any possibility of ever knowing the truth. I'm in awe, truly.

Sigh. I said it would be nice if there was external evidence but every time someone brings up Josephus or Tacitus they are told it doesn't count. My rejoinder is that it really isn't necessary anyway because the Bible is a collection of separate documents. And now you are making what kind of hash out of this? My definition of faith comes down the Protestant lineage, which IS Christianity like it or not. And I could not possibly believe in anything just because I want to believe it as you seem to think is possible. I need evidence and I have it. Sorry you don't see it.The Bible is not "a book," it's a whole library of books.The whole point of the Biblical writings was to report the evidence God had provided of His existence and His character and His plan of Redemption, and then the New Testament reported the fulfillemnt of the Messianic prophecies. The whole Bible is INTENDED as evidence and it IS evidence. With multiple witnesses yet, not the one lone character Mohammed or that sort of thing.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Ad hominem slams, totally false. After watching your performance here for some time I know I can distinguish between reality and fantasy and history and fiction a lot better than you can.

According to you, not according to orthodox theologians and believers.

Mohammed is THE sole author of the Koran. And the only other characters IN the Koran that I'm aware of are all from the Bible, and he made qujte a hash of them too, mixing up Miriam from the Old Testament with Mary from the New Testament and other silliness that ought to disqualify the whole miserable religion.The Bible doesn't rest on a minor case like Elizabeth's pregnancy, but a reasonable person ought to be able to accept such an account because of its internal reasonableness and the fact that it's within a greater account of other fulfilled prophecy, the pregnancy of Mary for major instance, which fulfills OLD Testament prophecy, which is EXTERNAL to the New Testament account.Oh brother. The fact that the Bible is a collection of books and not just A book shouldn't need so much discussion. Perhaps it would have been better if they had never been bound together for the sake of arguing with determined debunkers. But no, that wouldn't work either. A determined debunker is going to find ways to debunk no matter what.I found the definition of faith for "Christianity" at Wikipedia incomprehensible frankly. If you want me to respond to it you may need to try to make it less incomprehensible.

The point about Mohammed is that he's only one guy, why would you trust him over the dozens of Bible writers? Also the books of the Bible refer frequently to people who figure prominently in other books. It's all interwoven;. The Koran is just one guy who sat in a cave and came up with this whole religion he said was dictated to him by "Gabriel" and you'll put it on a par with the Biblical revelation. I find that stupefyingly senseless. Is he "known" more than the Bible writers who often refer to each other, which ought to go some way to establishing that they were real people. Mohammed's aunt did say he was demon-possessed, which he'd have to be if a phony "angel Gabriel" dictated to him. That's external to the Koran of course.I don't think there are any other people mentioned in the Koran except the Bible characters that Mohammed got all out of time and place.And you ask why all that should matter?There is no "mistranslated prophecy." All these accusation of the Bible are the inventions of stupid people who have no sense of history and lived in the last two centuries.And you don't see how fulfilled prophecy makes the Bible inerrant and divinely authored?Forgive me if I just roll my eyes and go take a nap.
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The whole Plan of Redemption and its fulfillment.