Multiculturalism

Some women think the greatest pleasure this life has to offer is having children - which they can still do. And I haven't said that they are equal. I have said that female circumcision is more extreme than male circumcision. But you don't know that, any more than you know that all of the Democrats in the USA are brainwashed. You're making a blanket claim about a whole society, ignoring what they say they think in favour of what you think they think. That's a very undemocratic attitude. If you're going to ignore the opinions of women who say they want FGM, then you might as well ignore the opinions of the people who vote Democrat and overthrow the results of your elections. You yourself have suggested that I shouldn't even be defending the practitioners of FGM. The rules of the site and the very principle of debate give me the right to argue any position I bloody well feel like arguing. THANK YOU!I've been trying for damn near 800 posts to get anybody to answer that question honestly. Why do you suppose the rest of them won't - or can't? Been there, done that. There are plenty of decisions that parents make for their children: appendectomies, vaccinations, dentistry.

No, that's a really shitty lie.I'm not going to respond with explanations against things that you have made up to make your position look better. And why would you want to make this particular position to look better? What the fuck is wrong with you?Women are not just baby makers, they have the right to sexual pleasure too.For you to lie and say that they're just interested in having babies and they don't care about sexual pleasure is disgusting. Since we are talking about a cultural practice that is forced on women through sexism by the patriarch, the answer is none. No amount of removal of labial tissue is acceptable in this practice. Cultural-wide sexism, especially when it involves irrecoverable physical mutilation to children, needs to be stopped completely. I explained it in the last message. You wrote off the whole explanation as a bad comparison because the women can still make babies.There's harm being done to these women that does not reside in their genitals.Stop thinking of the women as baby-makers and don't write off the comparison because they can still have sex:Think about living your life while having your dick cut off.Then think about what your culture would have to do to you in order for you to push that treatment onto your own son, while he was still a child.What kind of treatment would you have to go through to do that to your own child?That's the kind of treatment, i.e. the harm, that these women need to be saved from.That's is what is based on the motivation of the men in these societies.The men want the women to be unable to have pleasure from sex and they're willing to force the women to cut off their childrens' genitals to get it.That is horrific and the fact that you're trying to make light of the practice by making it out to look better than it actually is makes you a bad person.

The fact that you are even willing to call it female "circumcision" shows that you don't have the slightest fucking clue what you are blabbering about.You're worse than a creationist talking about the Big Bang. Because you're question is completely unrelated to, and a total distraction from, the issues involved in FGM.Its either a draw into an off topic discussion, or an excuse to make light of FGM.Your question should remain avoided. Its based on slanted ignorance and dishonesty.

You've said a hell of a lot more than that, liar. Your posts are here for all to see.You've lied, cheated, spun, wiggled, and weaseled your way into making light of FGM and denying the harm that it does to entire cultures of woman.You should be ashamed of yourself.Edited by Cat Sci, : No reason given.

I'll let Her Majesty's government know that it has your approval.However, the maximum sentence is still 14 years.

Ahem ... I wrote that I was surprised that you defended the butchery, not that you shouldn't. Take whatever position you want on any issue you want. No one is trying to deny you that. Just understand that when you take an abhorrent, disgusting, detestable and somewhat unpopular position you will get the same treatment as anyone else advocating such inanity.You're one of us. You can't escape. We gonna gitcha! Because it is irrelevant to the topic. But, you knew that. Good god, man, you cannot seriously equate these to FGM. Asinine!

Multiculturalism.

There's the escape hatch.

Try to keep up. It THEY want to be baby-makers, that's all right with me. If THEY don't rate sexual pleasure that high, that's all right with me. Well, I didn't say that. I said that that seems to be what they're thinking, since they're in favour of FGM. You're the one who says, "No, they don't really think what they say they think." Set aside the propaganda for a minute and just think. Hypothetically, if you don't assume coercion, what is the "fundamental" difference between male circumcision and the mildest form of female circumcision? YOU claim there is harm being done. THEY claim there isn't. Why should we take your opinion over theirs? You claim they're being coerced into saying what they don't really think. Why should we accept your conspiracy theory? You keep asking me to project my feelings onto other people. Why do you think that's relevant? And at least some of the women seem to be okay with that. Even in our society there are people who consider sex a distraction. What business is it of yours to force sexual pleasure on them?

FGM is what's off topic. The topic is multiculturalism in general. You and others are using FGM as an excuse for suppressing other cultures.

Indeed they are, and I stand by every word.

That's okay, I'll tell her myself at tea.

The so-called "opposition" in this thread hasn't even amounted to a mosquito bite. I could do this standing on my head. I'll be here. I can keep shooting as long as Percy can afford it. It may be irrelevant to the ruse that these guys are using to avoid the topic but it isn't irrelevant to the topic, which is multiculturalism.If you're willing to use the hammer of the law to swat FGM, where do you draw the line? That's what I've been asking. How long will it be before you use it to stamp out male circumcision? Where is the line that you will not cross? Nothing is being equated here. We're talking about parental consent. You're saying you want to dictate to parents. I'm asking where you draw the line.

Amen. Sing it, sister.Pizza. Reggae.Edited by ringo, : Fixed quote.

But the parents are not making that decision, the doctor or dentist is making that decision. The parents only agreed to the recommended procedure being carried out. How likely do you think, for example, that a surgeon would agree to a parents request to carry out an appendectomy when the child does not have appendicitis?