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Phat
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Message 1201 of 1309 (742341)
11-19-2014 6:08 AM
Reply to: Message 1196 by jar
11-18-2014 6:38 PM


Re: Try truth Faith
jar writes:
The majority is not against Christians but against bigotry, hate and the brand of Christianity you try to market.
I will agree that many christians are bigoted and hateful. We do need to repent and try our best to improve these sins and faults. I will say one thing, however. People cannot live and do as Jesus the "living example" did if we see him as only human. Jesus is how GOD relates to ants. Jesus is living and alive today. Ants will never rebuild society alone. They need to be responsible, I will admit. They need to be balanced and accountable. They need to try to do their best. Admit when they are wrong. And turn from it. They will never do this on human strength alone...
You always taught that asking Jesus into your heart was silly. A way to avoid personal responsibility and let God do everything. You had one thing right, however. Being saved is an everyday thing. It is not a quick nor easy fix. It is not a way to avoid responsibility. My point is, you will never be able to do your best nor try your hardest on your own strength. You need communion.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo
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jar
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Message 1202 of 1309 (742347)
11-19-2014 8:41 AM
Reply to: Message 1201 by Phat
11-19-2014 6:08 AM


Communion yet again, and again, and again
Phat writes:
You always taught that asking Jesus into your heart was silly. A way to avoid personal responsibility and let God do everything. You had one thing right, however. Being saved is an everyday thing. It is not a quick nor easy fix. It is not a way to avoid responsibility. My point is, you will never be able to do your best nor try your hardest on your own strength. You need communion.
Why is communion necessary?
What are the tests to show that communion exists?
What are the tests to determine who you be communing wit?
How come so many folk seem to be able to do their best without such communion?
How does communion provide something other than your own strength?
What strength other than their own strength can someone have?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Tangle
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Message 1203 of 1309 (742349)
11-19-2014 8:55 AM
Reply to: Message 1200 by Phat
11-19-2014 6:02 AM


Re: Just Wait a Bit
Phat writes:
but I will say that the only real hope for society is knowing Jesus Christ.
Yeh, well, if that's the only hope we have, it's a pity he been dead 2000 year;, that kind of limits the knowing of someone.
There's nothing much to be done about it now unless he'd care to re-introduce himself and we'd all be happy to hear what he has to say. I've also got a few pithy questions I'd like to put to him too.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Theodoric
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Message 1204 of 1309 (742353)
11-19-2014 9:06 AM
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11-19-2014 8:55 AM


Re: Just Wait a Bit
There's nothing much to be done about it now unless he'd care to re-introduce himself and we'd all be happy to hear what he has to say. I've also got a few pithy questions I'd like to put to him too.
I'd tell him and his dad to go screw themselves. If they are the creators of all the suffering in the world then I will go with another option. I have no desire to spend eternity with anything so vain, egotistical and immoral as the christian god and little boy jesus.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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ringo
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Message 1205 of 1309 (742373)
11-19-2014 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 1201 by Phat
11-19-2014 6:08 AM


Re: Try truth Faith
Phat writes:
People cannot live and do as Jesus the "living example" did if we see him as only human.
On the contrary, an example must be realistic; a goal must be attainable. How can we be all that we can be if the "example" is something we can not be?

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Taq
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Message 1206 of 1309 (742376)
11-19-2014 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 1199 by Faith
11-19-2014 3:51 AM


Re: Just Wait a Bit
Economic collapse is one of the big ways God judges a nation and we've certainly been on the verge of it for years.
Then explain why some of the richest countries are Islamic countries that were blessed by God with massive oil reserves.
Edited by Taq, : No reason given.

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jar
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Message 1207 of 1309 (742379)
11-19-2014 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 1206 by Taq
11-19-2014 11:36 AM


Re: Just Wait a Bit
And god gave Israel the only spot in the Middle East with NO friggin oil?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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DrJones*
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Message 1208 of 1309 (742382)
11-19-2014 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 1207 by jar
11-19-2014 11:47 AM


Re: Just Wait a Bit
And god gave Israel the only spot in the Middle East with NO friggin oil?
And god can't protect the Jews, his chosen people, himself, he needs the west to do it?

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Faith 
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Message 1209 of 1309 (742396)
11-19-2014 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1206 by Taq
11-19-2014 11:36 AM


Re: Just Wait a Bit
They are God's instrument of judgment right now, but they'll have their turn at being judged.

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Taq
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Message 1210 of 1309 (742408)
11-19-2014 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1209 by Faith
11-19-2014 1:58 PM


Re: Just Wait a Bit
They are God's instrument of judgment right now, but they'll have their turn at being judged.
This is only proof that you are making it up as you go.

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Message 1211 of 1309 (742409)
11-19-2014 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1209 by Faith
11-19-2014 1:58 PM


Re: Just Wait a Bit
Such hubris, to think you can speak for God.

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ramoss
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Message 1212 of 1309 (742428)
11-19-2014 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1163 by Faith
11-18-2014 1:01 PM


Re: Getting the legalities into perspective
Isn't it fun to make blanket statements that you don't have to back up with reason or logic?

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ringo
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Message 1213 of 1309 (742462)
11-20-2014 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 1209 by Faith
11-19-2014 1:58 PM


Re: Just Wait a Bit
Faith writes:
They are God's instrument of judgment right now, but they'll have their turn at being judged.
God uses the Nazis to judge the Jews. God uses the Allies to judge the Nazis. God uses the Communist bloc to judge the Allies. God uses NATO to judge the Communist bloc. God uses terrorists to judge NATO.

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Faith 
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Message 1214 of 1309 (742465)
11-20-2014 12:04 PM
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11-20-2014 11:53 AM


Re: Just Wait a Bit
Not everything is judgment.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 1215 of 1309 (742467)
11-20-2014 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1214 by Faith
11-20-2014 12:04 PM


Re: Just Wait a Bit
Faith writes:
Not everything is judgment.
So how do you determine what is judgement in your own pontifications?

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