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Faith 
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Message 916 of 1309 (741800)
11-14-2014 3:07 PM
Reply to: Message 915 by New Cat's Eye
11-14-2014 3:05 PM


I'm sorry, I misspoke, those states VOTED FOR the gay marriage ban.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 917 of 1309 (741801)
11-14-2014 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 914 by Faith
11-14-2014 3:00 PM


you make a big deal out of one poll that claims there is now majority support for gay marriage which is possible, SOMEWHERE, but doubtful
Most Americans Back Supreme Court on Gay Marriage Including in the Affected States
Poll: Support for gay marriage hits high after ruling
A new ABC News / Washington Post Poll shows 58 percent of the country supports the right of same-sex couples to wed
Can you find a recent national poll with a majority against gay marriage?
but I suspect you know what you are doing, which means you are going to be held more responsible in the end than those who are just mindlessly believing the lie
What, I'm going to burn in a hotter hell for more eternity because I love my neighbor as myself?
Seriously, Faith, what are you going to threaten us with? According to your theology, I'm already going to suffer infinite pain for all eternity just for not subscribing to your theological beliefs. There's nothing extra that can happen to me for being kind to people, is there?
But again I'm trying to leave EvC. I hope this is the point when I can actually accomplish it.
Well, as soon as the guy holding the gun to your head goes home.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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jar
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Message 918 of 1309 (741802)
11-14-2014 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 914 by Faith
11-14-2014 3:00 PM


Faith and her Christian Cult of Ignorance.
Faith writes:
Jar calls the antichrist apostates Christians and you make a big deal out of one poll that claims there is now majority support for gay marriage which is possible, SOMEWHERE, but doubtful.
Sorry Faith but I am a Christian as are the people I mentioned. YOU can call them antichrist apostates but that does not change the fact that they are still in the Apostolic Succession.
AbE:
Not just Christians Faith but Protestant Christians.
/AbE:
You do know what the apostolic successions is do you not?
Your silly assertions have little support in reality.
Edited by jar, : see AbE

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 919 of 1309 (741803)
11-14-2014 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 916 by Faith
11-14-2014 3:07 PM


Yeah, well, the times they are a changin'

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ooh-child
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Message 920 of 1309 (741804)
11-14-2014 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 916 by Faith
11-14-2014 3:07 PM


...those states VOTED FOR the gay marriage ban.
And then a few years later they vote to lift the ban. And then it comes up again & the whole thing is never settled.
How do you avoid that, Faith? If we leave it to popular vote, when does it end?

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Faith 
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Message 921 of 1309 (741811)
11-14-2014 8:01 PM
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11-14-2014 3:51 PM


I don't understand your point. If the people voted, the court had no right to overturn it. This is supposed to be a nation of, by and for the people, so it has been said. Apparently no longer.
The polls are not the people voting. If the people vote for a ban on gay marriage it should be allowed to stand because it's the people's will. If some time later they want to put the question up for vote again then whatever the people say should stand at that time, whether they affirm or deny the former vote. And a poll can't be taken as the final authority on what the people think. Polls are often wrong.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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jar
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Message 922 of 1309 (741814)
11-14-2014 8:31 PM
Reply to: Message 921 by Faith
11-14-2014 8:01 PM


Popular opinion cannot over rule the Constitution.
Popular opinion does not over rule the Constitution.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Faith 
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Message 923 of 1309 (741819)
11-14-2014 8:56 PM
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11-14-2014 8:31 PM


Re: Popular opinion cannot over rule the Constitution.
So there is no point in having a vote at all, we should just have a tyrant over us who makes all the laws. Sounds like that's your idea of the Constitution.
And by the way Nazi leaders used propaganda to create the will of the people.

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Faith 
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Message 924 of 1309 (741820)
11-14-2014 9:20 PM
Reply to: Message 923 by Faith
11-14-2014 8:56 PM


Re: Popular opinion cannot over rule the Constitution.
Really it comes down to the fact that you all regard homosexuals as a legitimate minority group protected by the First Amendment and I don't.
You also don't seem to care that Christians were originally the concern of the First Amendment, THE group that had been oppressed and persecuted in Europe and founded the nation on the concept of liberty and fought for that liberty in the Revolutionary War and wanted that liberty guaranteed in the Constitution of the new nation. You'll happily trash our rights for those of this other group you want to see protected.
Be that as it may, in order for me to persuade you that gay marriage should not be supported I'd first have to prove that America was founded on Biblical principles, which I believe but couldn't possibly prove to any of you after a century of propaganda that claims otherwise.
SO there is no point in continuing to pursue this discussion.
Cheers.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 925 of 1309 (741821)
11-14-2014 9:27 PM
Reply to: Message 924 by Faith
11-14-2014 9:20 PM


Re: Popular opinion cannot over rule the Constitution.
Really it comes down to the fact that you all regard homosexuals as a legitimate minority group protected by the First Amendment and I don't.
I thought everyone was protected by the First Amendment. If you disagree, could you give us a list of the people who aren't?
You also don't seem to care that Christians were originally the concern of the First Amendment, THE group that had been oppressed and persecuted in Europe ...
And, also, THE group that had been doing the oppressing and persecuting. And then went to America so that they could hang Quakers in accordance with the dictates of their conscience.

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Modulous
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Message 926 of 1309 (741823)
11-14-2014 9:35 PM
Reply to: Message 923 by Faith
11-14-2014 8:56 PM


Check out those balances
Checks and balances: The Devil's handiwork.
You vote for legislators. Along with legislators you vote for the head of the executive. They appoint the judicial. The judicial branch can, indeed must, review the work of the legislature to ensure it is consistent with the constitution and other laws. Sometimes you'll agree with them, sometimes you won't.
And by the way Nazi leaders used propaganda to create the will of the people.
Everyone does that.
What the Nazis did was destroy the liberal (but potentially flawed) constitution to give them powers to do whatever they wanted. The lesson here is, the constitution is good but possibly flawed. It's probably a good idea to keep the thing around, and change it using it's own rules for being changed. If you reject the judicial branch, the system has no checks on it, which can be exploited by the executive to 'enable' itself to ignore the legislative: aka dictatorship.

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Faith 
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Message 927 of 1309 (741824)
11-14-2014 9:36 PM
Reply to: Message 925 by Dr Adequate
11-14-2014 9:27 PM


Re: Popular opinion cannot over rule the Constitution.
Not protected AS homosexuals, since homosexual acts were regarded as criminal. Even Jefferson and Washington treated them as criminal. Of course giving them rights over the hated Christians is just being "progressive" today. How far we have come slidden from the original conception of the American "experiment." O brave new world. Well, it's yours now. Down to the pit we go.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Theodoric
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Message 928 of 1309 (741826)
11-14-2014 9:40 PM
Reply to: Message 921 by Faith
11-14-2014 8:01 PM


If the people voted, the court had no right to overturn it.
There is your problem you have no idea how the US government works. I think you need to take a civics class.
Do you think people in the south voted to overturn segregation? Slavery was the peoples will in certain states too.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Coyote
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Message 929 of 1309 (741827)
11-14-2014 9:41 PM
Reply to: Message 921 by Faith
11-14-2014 8:01 PM


I don't understand your point. If the people voted, the court had no right to overturn it. This is supposed to be a nation of, by and for the people, so it has been said. Apparently no longer.
So, the majority of people can vote to enslave the minority (any minority)????
What country are you from?

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

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Theodoric
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Message 930 of 1309 (741828)
11-14-2014 9:42 PM
Reply to: Message 923 by Faith
11-14-2014 8:56 PM


Re: Popular opinion cannot over rule the Constitution.
Take a basic civics course. You obviously do not understand what the US Constitution says. The people nor legislatures, nor the executive can implement laws that the judiciary determines are unconstitutional. You do not get to decide what is unconstitutional, the courts do.
ABE
And by the way Nazi leaders used propaganda to create the will of the people.
Churches use propaganda to create the will of the people now.
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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