Homosexuality and Evo, Creo, and ID

To clarify Faith, we only call those Christians (and Muslims) who are haters and bigots, those few that actually are. Most Christians are not.To be doubly clear, there are no cogent and legitimate arguments for discrimination - just biblical exceptionalism for which there can be no respect whatsoever.

You biblical Christians have an awful lot of views and behaviours that are remarkably un-Christian. What ever happened to: Nowhere does this commandment say 'excluding gays, obviously.'

State recognition of marriage is new. Until the mid 16th century to be married all that was necessary was for both to say that they are. Then the church got involved - mostly, you'll be pleased to know, Catholics. So of course, your lot didn't even recognise marriage between Catholic man and Catholic woman.Marriage, Faith, is man made and defined by man - it means whatever we agree it means at any one time.But for god's sake, don't let facts persuade you of anything.

Stark, staring bonkers........

And yet on virtually any measure you wish to mention, Western civilisation is, in fact, becoming increasingly better and better. Crime is falling, health is improving, people are living longer and happier, society is more democratic and fairer, people are better off, the disadvantaged are less disadvantaged, education is available to everyone that wants it, discrimination - present company excepted - is less, serious divisions in society are fewer, wars between the developed democracies are unimaginable and on and on. In fact, if it wasn't for wars amongst dogmatic religious believers in the East, the world would feel pacified.Of course we have some work to do in bringing Africa into the modern world and the forthcoming and inevitable economic dominance of China will take some navigation as will the testosterone driven, macho culture of Russia; but by-and-large, 'we've never had it so good.'I've looked outside, the sky is definitely not falling. I suggest you look beyond your personal little bubble and see what's really happening in the world.

If you're asking for opinions, those that think like that can go on thinking like that. You can go on saying it and the rest of society will laugh at you. In a generation or so those that think that way will have disappeared because it's so obviously an immoral, plain ignorant and out-of-time position.Btw, how can being a homosexual be a sin? How can they repent from being homosexual? You might as well as for someone to repent for being black. You have the right to say whatever you want in the public square, so long as you don't do anything to cause a breach of the peace. I really wish your lot would do it more often - the more people see and hear these laughable ideas, the more quickly they'll be gone from society.Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Yeh, right, we all did that didn't we?I sometimes wonder what century you live in. I believe you're 70ish? You wouldn't be out of place in the 17th century.Sex, by-the-way, is quite nice - you should try it some time.

At least you seem to accept that being homosexual is not something that is a choice. But that gives you a problem, given your belief that god is responsible for everything, he must have made homosexuals. If he made them, he must approve of them, how can sexual acts between them then be a sin?

Because they want to take a stand and be martyred. They love to feel persecuted for their faith. They could easily find another excuse for not making the cake if they simply didn't want to make it, but no, they had to make their stand. As a lawyer once said to me 'principles can get very expensive to defend.'On the other side of it, the gays are targeting these stupid and stubborn people to make their principled stand - this is a tactical mistake, they should just let these dinasaurs die out naturally. Society is pretty much on their side, they just need to keep pushing their agenda for wider and wider support.

Now you know better than that. Only Faith can decide whether you're a Christian or not and given what you go on to say, I think her decison may well go against you.Repent!

You really are 'full of yourself' as my grandma used to say.. But I'm sure Phat will be releaved. Or not.

Nope. Paedophiles harm children - hence a law to protect the vulnerable. Gay sex is only legal between consenting adults who are assumed to not require protection. Yes, religious organisations think that their law can trump secular law. They're wrong aren't they?

Sure, so long as they don't kiddie-fiddle or download kiddy porn and share it, they're not committing an offence. But I did assume that Faith meant paedophilic acts. I think that's rather trickier. I think people are allowed to discriminate against those that engage in criminal acts. For example a bank could refuse to employ a convicted thief.I doubt an active paedophile would attempt to exert his rights to have a cake made of him buggering a child. And I doubt the baker would have much of a problem if he refused.

Well you have to distinguish between legal discrimination and illegal discrimination - a job interview is a process of legal discrimination. You are perfectly at liberty to not employ, say, a gay man if you have reason to believe that he can't do the job, but you can't if your reason is that he is gay.As for your speeder, it's an unrealistic example and it depends on the laws of the country. Here in the UK a business can refuse service so long as their reason is not one of discrimination, directly or indirectly, over a protected class - disability, religion, gender etc.Speeders are not a protected group but neither can you randomly refuse one group of people over another - you must have an objective business reason for doing it. So if your speeder wanted to buy a packet of cigarettes you'd probably be illegally discriminating but if he wanted to apply for a job as a driving instructor you wouldn't.But you'd go out of business quickly; convicted speeders are not a minority...protected or otherwise.

Yeh, well, if that's the only hope we have, it's a pity he been dead 2000 year;, that kind of limits the knowing of someone.There's nothing much to be done about it now unless he'd care to re-introduce himself and we'd all be happy to hear what he has to say. I've also got a few pithy questions I'd like to put to him too.