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RAZD
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Message 649 of 1309 (740681)
11-06-2014 5:08 PM
Reply to: Message 648 by Faith
11-06-2014 4:58 PM


Yes, it is so much easier to run for political office as an atheist than as a christian these days.
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RAZD
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Message 798 of 1309 (741110)
11-09-2014 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 796 by Faith
11-09-2014 4:36 PM


Re: Yes it is the lowest kind of propaganda
If all that is recent then it's not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about down through history. Recently, within the last few years or so, the whole world has gone insane. Kindly produce one reliable and detailed report to prove your claim so I can see what you are talking about.
Ummm, like the ancient Greeks? Like the Turks of the Ottoman Empire?
Isn't is also perverted for siblings to marry and have sex? There are lots of examples of that ...
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RAZD
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Message 822 of 1309 (741205)
11-10-2014 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 799 by Faith
11-09-2014 6:52 PM


Re: Yes it is the lowest kind of propaganda
Request reliable evidence of official homosexual marriages in ancient Greece and in the Ottoman Empire. Thank you.
They are in history texts, and if you are truly interested you will do the research yourself.
You can start your search here:
History of same-sex unions - Wikipedia
That lists many levels of unions around the world and through the ages, and it is sufficient to document that it occurred.
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RAZD
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Message 835 of 1309 (741351)
11-11-2014 4:45 PM
Reply to: Message 823 by Faith
11-10-2014 5:33 PM


not persecuted for living their lives their way
... I'm only interested in official state-recognized marriages on a par with heterosexual marriages. ...
So you want evidence of state-recognized marriages for homosexuals before there were state-recognized marriages for heterosexuals? Fascinating dodge.
What you have is evidence of culturally accepted homosexual public relationships, people that were not persecuted for living their lives their way.
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RAZD
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Message 1137 of 1309 (742192)
11-17-2014 7:10 PM
Reply to: Message 1136 by Faith
11-17-2014 6:46 PM


Re: Sixth District Circuit Court Ruling for Gay Marriage Bans
Yes I've been married.
Would you say that your marriage is\was defined by the times you had sex?
Message 1134: Marriage has to do with the objective physical fit of male and female. ...
So you never had oral sex? Mutual masturbation? Used sex toys? No foreplay?
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RAZD
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Message 1153 of 1309 (742221)
11-18-2014 7:45 AM
Reply to: Message 1144 by Faith
11-17-2014 11:59 PM


Re: Oy. This has nothing to do with personal marriages. Yikes.
... RAZD thinks I'm saying sexual variety must not be a part of marriage in my experience ...
I used the bolt lock example just as a way of emphasizing that it's about uniting the two distinctly different sexes, ...
The first point dear Faith is this: there are many fun a varied ways to enjoy a sexual experience without being limited to putting a penis into a vagina. Tongues have no significant sexual differentiation, fingers and toes have no significant sexual differentiation ... and we know that it is not about making children or marriages between elderly people would also be objectionable. So how you have sex is irrelevant.
The second point is that once we have eliminated the need for a penis to enter a vagina in order to have a marriage, then we can focus on all the other aspects of marriage.
When we do that there is no reason to say that people A & B can get married but people C & D cannot, and it is obviously irrational to do so.
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RAZD
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Message 1171 of 1309 (742262)
11-18-2014 1:39 PM
Reply to: Message 1164 by Faith
11-18-2014 1:04 PM


put the rocket in the pocket
The point dear RAZD is that my analogy had absolutely nothing to do with anybody's personal experience of marriage, sex or love or anything on that level, it was an objective abstract analogy to illustrate the complementarity of the differences between the sexes that marriage is intended to unite. It was intended as a definition of the parties involved, had nothing whatever to do with personal experience.
So it is about penis in vagina sex. Glad we cleared that up. I'd hate for marriage to be confused with something as abstract as love.
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RAZD
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Message 1192 of 1309 (742288)
11-18-2014 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1185 by Faith
11-18-2014 3:01 PM


Re: Congratulations to the Devil
... We do not grant special rights to aberrant groups.
Like bigoted fundamentalist religious groups.
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RAZD
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Message 1249 of 1309 (748318)
01-24-2015 3:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1225 by Dr Adequate
01-23-2015 11:23 AM


Re: Second Thoughts - revisited
I don't often say this, but well played, evil bigot, well played. This is what I was talking about. She shouldn't have the right to refuse him service based on his views, but she should have the right to not actually endorse his views by providing him with a service. Let's ban discrimination by all means, but there ought to be a fence around people's first amendment rights --- the government can't force people to say things they violently disagree with.
quote:
Half-Baked Complaint Alleges Discrimination Where There is None
When Christian educator Bill Jack ordered a cake last year from Azucar, a Denver bakery, he had a special decoration request for owner Marjorie Silva. He wanted the cake to say "God Hates Gays" with a drawing to match. Silva refused, and now she's facing a half-baked complaint from Jack alleging he was the victim of religious discrimination.
Silva made a good-faith effort to work with Jack when he presented himself as a customer. She had no problem with making a cake in the shape of a Bible, even offering to make him a blank one and provide the DIY decorating tools he would need to add the words and images that he was asking for. It's not as though she was trying to offer a different, less extensive menu to Christian customers. Phillips, on the other hand, was unwilling to even talk about design options with Craig and Mullins. Jack said he would make them a birthday cake or some brownies, but the wedding cake they came in for? No dice.
Further, Silva declined to fulfill a cake "order" because the order went beyond her standards of offensiveness. Her issue was with the design, not who was trying to order it or what they planned to do with it. And nondiscrimination laws have nothing to say about business owners' standards of taste, as long as they apply across the board to all customers.
Phillips, on the other hand, freely admits that it was Masterpiece Cakeshop's long-standing policy to sell wedding cakes for opposite-sex couples and refuse to sell them for same-sex couples. Craig and Mullins did not even get to explain to Phillips what their dream wedding cake might have looked like before he rejected their business. Thus, Phillips has been found in violation of Colorado law and ordered to end his previous practice of sexual orientation discrimination, but it's highly unlikely the complaint against Silva will go anywhere since he wasn't turned away because of who he is.
Freedom from discrimination means
(a) you cannot discriminate against people for race, religious, disability, sexual orientation or ethnic reasons ... (ie - the gay couple were discriminated against by the cake baker),
(b) you cannot force someone else to participate in your desire to discriminate against people for race, religious, disability, sexual orientation or ethnic reasons ... (ie - the gay hater was not discriminated against, he was given full opportunity to get a cake, but his discriminatory hate message was not permitted).
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