Homosexuality and Evo, Creo, and ID

No. If crime is punished by a society it isn't going to pull down God's wrath because the society is doing the right thing. It's when society does the wrong thing that it is punished.But an increase in crime could certainly be a sign of the end times, that's something else.

You realise that those two sentences contradict each other?

No there is no contradiction. I'm making a simple distinction: the cause of God's judgment (a society doing the wrong thing, such as not punishing crime or punishing good people) is different from the effect of God's judgment (the proliferation of crime).

Matthew 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.Hm. Nothing about gay marriage there.I guess you must be wrong.

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Yes, I would point to you too, as you say similarly abusive things without owning that they are abusive.

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In other words I am neither as abusive nor as dishonest as you.

That makes no sense. According to the Bible's idea of sinning I'm a world class sinner and yet I'm happier than I've every been.I'll be a father soon, we are moving into a new house and we can both afford to work part time and spend quality time with the new arrival.Yet I've lived in sin, had sex before marriage, masturbated like mad, I've been jealous, covertous, I've taken your god's name in vain, yet it's all comming up Larni.Why has God not smote me, in his mercy? Where is his wrath?Edited by Larni, : No reason given.

Like we haven't heard that for the last 2,000 years. How many times have people proclaimed that we are in the end days?

That makes no sense either.However, punishment of crime in society is not at issue here. What I'm saying is that crime has fallen in all modern societies in absolute terms. If it had risen you would claim that is was a sign of the end times. But you can't, you have to hang onto silly 'sins' like gay marriage whilst ignoring real sins like murder and theft.You really need to think about what this fall means to your beliefs - it's not a small amount, it's thousands of % and over centuries.

Let's see . . . humans are living longer and healthier lives than they ever have before. Rates of childhood mortality have plummeted. We have never been under less threat from infectious diseases than now.If this is punishment, I say we do even more wrong things.

No ... you ... aren't.

Where did I say anything to imply that you should expect to be punished? I'm talking about society as a whole coming increasingly under God's judgment for an accumulation of sins BY society over a long period of time.Of course if you don't repent and believe in Christ you WILL eventually be punished.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

D.P. Sorry about this.Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

But it's what you said.So now you're saying "it's crazy and you know it" to think that you believe what you said.That was my point, Faith, that was my point. Also, that it's crazy and you know it. It's your paranoid fantasy, you haven't said exactly what terrible thing will happen in "months to a year". Christianity will be made illegal? You'll all be herded into FEMA death camps? It's your fantasy. The nearest you've got is "In Nazi Germany things built up behind the scenes for a while and then it seemed to all come together all of a sudden". I bet you $100 that in "months to a year" America will not resemble Nazi Germany.

D.P.

And yet society keeps getting better. We are curing more diseases, living longer, living better . . . if that is increasing judgment, keep it coming.Edited by Taq, : No reason given.