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Phat Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
Questioning and using critical thinking i.e. reason has nothing to do with having a low intellect, as you call it. It is part of the method we use to determine truth from falsehood. Would anyone ever be able to become a believer (getting saved, meeting God, etc) if they disciplined themselves to stick to critical thinking or would they forever remain uncommitted...only exploring new evidence as it became available? Just a question...
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.1
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I guess those that "discipline" themselves to think critically realize that there is probably no supernatural. Cuz, if there were we would have some evidence. If evidence seems to appear we will reevaluate.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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ringo Member (Idle past 668 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Faith is the evidence of things not seen (Hebrews 11:1). Things that are seen still trump things that are not seen. Would anyone ever be able to become a believer (getting saved, meeting God, etc) if they disciplined themselves to stick to critical thinking or would they forever remain uncommitted...only exploring new evidence as it became available? You can't really be a sincere believer if you don't look.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
You don't have an intelligible point. The founding fathers wrote thousands of letters in their own hand. They were observed by thousands of eyewitnesses, who then wrote about their observations. Contemporaneous writers and historians mention and in some cases quote them I'm pretty sure that djufo's point is neither that he does not believe in George Washington, nor that he requires direct evidence. His point is that all of those contemporary writers are dead. What we have left at this point is writings and artifacts. Yet we all believe in George Washington and disbelieve that the Sumerians were taught by aliens. So his claim is somewhat more subtle.
Are you incapable of understanding that sworn statements by living witnesses are the least reliable evidence available While true, I'm not sure what this argument accomplishes.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
if they disciplined themselves to stick to critical thinking or would they forever remain uncommitted Is there anything in your life for which you consider yourself to act critically? In those cases, does acting critically mean waiting until all possible information is in, and only making a decision when you are certain of success? Would this be sound investment advice? Critical thinking does not mean remaining forever uncommitted. It might at some point mean rethinking a commitment and possibly taking a new course of action. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Phat Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
But is it true that we humans by nature don't want a God? Or is that something we solved by exposing the original sin mythos?(not that im entirely convinced by the evidence)
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ringo Member (Idle past 668 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Aren't you the one who keeps saying we're resistant to the will of God? I think the story of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is an explanation of why we are that way. Where else in the Bible is that not acknowledged as fact?
But is it true that we humans by nature don't want a God?
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Phat Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
It seems to me that you believe that IF GOD exists, humans are meant to grow up into a life where we have no need of Him and whereby we can use our own intelligence to solve our problems.
I disagree with this scenario. Even adults whose parents are still living go to them for advice, encouragement and feedback. At worst, I believe that God desires that we talk with Him often and that we ask Him to forgive our sins and give us wisdom, patience, and whatever else we lack. As our prime example, Jesus spoke often with His Father and even gave up fellowship and mealtimes in order to do so.
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MikeManea Junior Member (Idle past 3704 days) Posts: 1 Joined: |
Hi, my name is Mike and I am currently working on a book called, 'How to Debate Atheists.' I have completed the first three chapters and would appreciate any feedback.
Page not found – Pastor Mike Manea
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Tangle Member Posts: 9581 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 6.5 |
You need to start a new thread for this and you may get some takers, tho' not many of us can be bothered visiting other sites before debating.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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jar Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Welcome home. Pull up a stump and set a spell.
You really do need to spin this off into a new topic but there are some major problems with your approach right from the beginning. First, why debate the existence of a god when there can never be any real proof, at least as long as a person is living. Second, and perhaps a bigger issue is that there is no "Christian GodTM". Speaking as a Christian. the God that Calvinists try to market is vile, evil, unworthy of worship. The God marketed by the Christian Cult of Ignorance such as seen in the Chick Tracts is just pitiful and laughable. And even if there were a "Christian GodTM", GOD, if GOD exists is hardly likely to be anything like any of the various gods mankind has created over the centuries.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1661 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
First off I think you are trolling\spamming for your blog rather than expressing any real interest in debate.
Second you don't start a rational discussion with insulting overtones and innuendo. Third you should debate with atheists the same way you should debate with anyone else -- with respect, honesty, integrity, and offer rational arguments supported by evidence rather than just opinion. So if you do come back, feel free to start a new thread so we can discuss your problems. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Phat Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
Hi, my name is Mike and I am currently working on a book called, 'How to Debate Atheists.' I have completed the first three chapters and would appreciate any feedback. Start a new topic in the PNT Forum and I will promote it. Your book seems interesting and, while spamming is not allowed here at EvC the topic seems like a good discussion and trust me, you will get feedback here. If you participate in this debate/discussion you will gather plenty of fodder to finish your book.
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Phat Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
jar writes: The only people who can draw a good map are those who have explored the territory. Several questions. I have read the Bible from beginning to end and it is filled with contradiction, from Genesis straight through to Revelations. The Map is not the Territory. 1) You claim that there is no Christian GodTM and yet you call yourself a Christian. While I agree that GOD is beyond human comprehension and explanation, I would argue that the entire concept of a Christian GodTM comes directly from examining the relationship that Jesus had with His Father.2) Is it reasonable to assume that GOD is whom Jesus called His Father? Is it reasonable to assume that there can be an agreement or consensus of a Christian GodTM through the study of whom Jesus believed GOD to be?
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
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Edited by NoNukes, : My posting ability spews chunksUnder a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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