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The links in your links are dead. Try again.ABE
Oh yeah still not evidence. Apologetics is not evidence.Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

In the messages you linked to, the links to Blue Letter Bible say, "Oops. Page Not Found." You're attempting to shift the task from yourself by pointing elsewhere and claiming, "The proof lies there," but it would be preferable if you made the effort yourself, and anyway, as Theodoric notes, religious apologetics are not evidence nor even logical.If you have actual evidence and rational arguments then you should just present them in a message, but it's akin to the ancient argument of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.--Perecy

How this can be dismissed as Apologetics is beyond me.To prove the Trinity takes a long list of Biblical verses. I did at least sketch out in that one post I linked to what the categories of those verses are. Individual verses show that God is One, that the Father has the attributes of God, that the Son has the attributes of God, and that the Holy Spirit has the attributes of God, and they show the three acting independently of one another as separate "Persons." When the subject first came up it was understood that I couldn't spell all that out without taking up too much space and that simply indicating what the link explained was sufficient in this case. However, I'll try to get back later and find at least one verse per category to make the point.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I recall a debate with Alter2Ego in which A2E took the position that the Bible did not support the Trinity. Perhaps you could just point to your best arguments from that thread? Surely a pointer or two will turn up some really good arguments.I believe the thread is Bible Teachings or Traditions of Men?. Your first post on the subject of the Trinity is Message 20.

That's what I just did that they are complaining about. For one thing the links are broken. Ill have to track down the relevant verses later.

Do you even know what the term, apologetics means?

What I linked was evidence for the Trinity. Evidence.

Hi Faith,Whether the Bible is the inerrant Word of God is the thread's topic, and I think you'd need to prove that first. You're not going to prove the trinity quoting verses made up by men.--Percy

Funny, that's how the Trinity was first formulated, from the verses in the Bible that add up to such a concept.But that's fine, I don't want to waste my time trying to show you something you'll just ignore anyway.

I'd consider it to be primarily argument. But there is nothing wrong with that.

Perhaps not.But I'd be satisfied with just a strong argument that Trinity doctrine is even described in the Bible. If Trinitarians are correct, they ought to be able to do that.Most people who have been in such arguments are aware the every single one of the pro arguments has very sound rebuttals. And of course, this is a debate site and not Fundamentalist Bible School night.

The evidence is in the list of verses, but there was some sort of preamble to the list explaining that the Trinity isn't stated in so many words but inferred from all those separate verses that present the nature of God as One in Three independent Persons, then the verses show that to be the case.

I'm familiar with the arguments. I don't find the arguments all that persuasive. I'm aware that you do.

Is THIS what you are referring to? I don't see an argument there so much as a compilation of the scripture verses from which the Trinity was originally derived.

I didn't follow the link. Since you've indicated that you don't wish to discuss it, I'm not going to bother with it at this time. I expect that a discussion of the topic would proceed pretty much like the mind/brain one did.As you've already indicated, the verses don't mention the Trinity at all, so what I am calling argument would be the explanations (which I would not dignify by using the word Apologetics) showing how the verses manage to support the doctrine without actually mentioning it.And of course, other people have also managed to point out how, in their opinion, the verses do not support the Trinity and how other verses in the Bible contradict the doctrine.That's why I call the presentation argument. Like much fundamentalist only doctrine, Trinitarianism appears to be doctrine projected onto the Bible rather than extracted from it. And despite the tenuous nature of the Trinity doctrine, people still manage to call people who either disbelieve it, or who believe a non-standard version of the doctrine heretics and non-Christians.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.