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Author Topic:   Age of mankind, dating, and the flood
RAZD
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Message 193 of 224 (738172)
10-05-2014 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by djufo
10-04-2014 10:35 PM


Curiously 8,000 years is still less than 10,000 years
I am sorry to tell you that the collection of your empirical data is full of flaws. ...
Give me one and back it up with reference material so I can check it and make sure you are not just posting ant frass.
... Therefore your research is completely invalid. ...
My data is from multiple sources and you need to actually falsify each set of data to show that my research was invalid.
The fact that they are consilient with each other means that my results are more likely correct than incorrect.
Now I agree that some of it is dated -- seeing as it was done in 1972 (before you were born perhaps?) -- but what I have seen since that time has only reinforced my results, not challenged it.
If my data were full of flaws however, there would be no reason for the consilience of the data.
Thus I can freely consider your completely unsupported claim is nothing more than hogwash ... unless you can demonstrate the errors in each set of data.
And so far your record of providing data is 0 - zilch - nada - rien ... all you have is opinion and arrogance. I'm not holding my breath.
How can you prove that your fantastic story of hill farmers were the transition to the later cities of Ur and Uruk?
It is a simple matter of timing and the development of artifacts found at the sites, artifacts that become more refined in the cities.
It is also a pattern that is seen elsewhere in the world as agriculture is introduced or discovered in the different regions.
Or even better, what can you tell about the Sumerian knowledge of 9 celestial bodies plus the Sun in the center? was it "myth" too? oh no is not myth because we can actually see today 9 celestial bodies with the Sun in the center. Nobody cares about what the "experts" say today. The history is already written.
This is known as the "red herring" logical fallacy, throwing in a non-sequitur into an argument to divert attention from the fact that you are not answering the questions.
You keep saying that the "history is already written" and yet you haven't provided any reference to that actual history. You've been caught out already on claiming the flood was documented in history before there was written history.
So I ask again -- can you admit that you are wrong when you are wrong or are you delusional3?
de•lu•sion -noun (American Heritage Dictionary 2009)
  1. a. The act or process of deluding.
    b. The state of being deluded.
  2. A false belief or opinion: labored under the delusion that success was at hand.
  3. Psychiatry A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence, especially as a symptom of mental illness: delusions of persecution.
The delusions of persecution does seem to fit with your ranting about everybody but you being brainwashed and muppets for some vast conspiracy.
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Message 194 of 224 (738229)
10-06-2014 9:03 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by djufo
10-04-2014 12:23 PM


another error in your thinking, btw
... According to ancient data, in those days, a large portion of ice separated from a cap traveling close to the equator, melting, and causing the sea level to raise.
... the global temperature has to have risen significantly" not necessarily, since we have the alleged big mass of ice coming up to the equator and melting at a fast pace.
Do you know that melting ice-bergs (floating chunks of ice) do not raise the level of the sea?
Melting ice that is on land causes sea levels to rise.
... and melting at a fast pace.
So the last ice age ended in 40 days?
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Message 203 of 224 (738347)
10-09-2014 8:50 AM
Reply to: Message 199 by NoNukes
10-09-2014 4:27 AM


making up stuff is research
By 12? they count 9 planets, including Pluto, plus the moon 10, the Sun 11 (in the center, just like we know today) plus one more large planet in an elliptical orbit around the sun going all the way out possibly beyond the oort cloud.
No one is aware of any planet going out beyond the Oort cloud, so what is your indication that this prediction is correct?
It is rather predictable the amount of stuff people have made up about the Sumerians -- from the UFO crowd to the astrology crowd.
Doing an internet search on sumerian astronomy and sumerian astrology I found pictures with different numbers of "planets" ...
Anunnaki Sumerian Planets Astrology 2012 Galactic Alignment:
(several with 7 "planets" but none with orbits for said objects) and some with a different number of suns ... ?
Sumerian Artifacts (38 of 53)
Or is that the sun and the moon ... but then what is the crescent ...
And you can also google for Sumeria astronauts ...
Ancient astronauts - Wikipedia
quote:
Zecharia Sitchin's series The Earth Chronicles, beginning with The 12th Planet, revolves around Sitchin's unique interpretation of ancient Sumerian and Middle Eastern texts, megalithic sites, and artifacts from around the world.[14][15] He hypothesizes that the gods of old Mesopotamia were actually astronauts from the planet "Nibiru", which Sitchin claims the Sumerians believed to be a remote "12th planet" (counting the Sun, Moon, and Pluto as planets) associated with the god Marduk. According to Sitchin, Nibiru continues to orbit our sun on a 3,600-year elongated orbit. Modern astronomy has found no evidence to support Sitchin's claims.[14]
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Message 206 of 224 (738376)
10-09-2014 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 205 by Theodoric
10-09-2014 11:59 AM


12 months\zodiac constellations ...
I have to wonder is this someone else's crap he is spouting or is he coming up with it himself?
From what I can see there is an abundance of interpretations on the internet. One thing to remember is that Sumerians had a fascination with 12's and 60's -- hence the 12 signs of the zodiac (and they are credited with creating astrology, but it may be they just wrote it down) so those could be 12 gods/celestial objects representing the zodiac rather than planets per se.
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RAZD
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Message 209 of 224 (738385)
10-09-2014 5:17 PM
Reply to: Message 208 by NoNukes
10-09-2014 3:57 PM


Re: 12 months\zodiac constellations ...
I had no doubt that this was the case. I bust a gut every time I read the phrase 'ancient data' that describes some stuff somebody fabricated and posted just a few years ago.
Not so curiously, when I run 'google scholar' on sumerian astronomy I do not find and papers on 12 planets and extra-terrestrial visitors ...
I did find this of interest:
Welcome michaelsheiser.com - BlueHost.com
Which talks about naked eye observation of two Jupiter moons and an elongated Saturn.
It may be that our modern opinions of the ability of the naked eye are clouded by light pollution and not taking the time to get fully dark adapted.
It may also involve apparent magnification similar to seeing large suns at sunset?
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Message 214 of 224 (738414)
10-10-2014 8:43 AM
Reply to: Message 210 by djufo
10-09-2014 6:09 PM


How do you know nobody is aware of a large size object beyond the oort cloud? ...
Because of how Neptune and Pluto were discovered.
... Do you have faith in those who decide what you are allowed to know as the truth?
You have a most amusing paranoia.
And again, Sumerians didn't discover anything. They didn't have any equipment or technology nor superman eyes. They specifically say the knowledge was passed by the creators. Don't blame me, don't blame them, they just wrote their daily experiences. If you wanna blame or question somebody, question those who came here and created humans. The proof is this same conversation. We question our own existence and origin.
And believe an amusing fantasy.
If you want to convince anyone that your paranoid fantasy world is valid, you need to provide some objective empirical evidence for it.
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