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Absolutely. I am not going to name them all because it would take me hours but for example the Aztecs main Deity was Quetzalcoatl, which was the same God know to the Mayans as Kukulkan. The "plummed serpent" God. The same God was know to the Incas as Viracocha. In the three civilizations the story is the same. This God comes here, creates their cities, teaches them writing, language, mathematics, farming, instruct them to dig gold for him, then leaves with the promise of returning some day. In the middle east, the ancient civilizations tells us the story of the God who traveled to the American continent to raise new civilizations of humans to dig the needed gold. His name, Ningishizidda. And expert in spiritual manipulation. With the power of reincarnation, resurrection, and known to be able to walk on water. The same God known at Toth for the Egiptians, responsible for planning Pyramids. Hence Pyramids in America, Egypt and other sites of the world.That is the example of just one of them. One God from the Pantheon ruling earth in those days.

I'm sorry forgot to mention this relates to the topic of the bible, because many raise the point that the bible might be science fiction. Just fantastic stories written thousands of years ago. But the fact that multiple ancient civilizations around the world tell you the same stories. Creation, flood, people coming from the heavens, pyramids, is no coincidence. Specially when they talk about the same beings.Modern bible is based on all those writings. Even the Bible has multiple Deities. At the very beginning it starts with "let US create humans in OUR image, after OUR own likeness" They were Elohim (plural for God) Singular for God is Eloha.

Boy, you're going to be called a hero by AiG and CMI. Ask them to publish you letters about all those Gods!

Why do so many religious people want to be e-mailed to try and provide answers?Do it in where everyone else can see and evaluate.

You didn't really answer the question posed by NoNukes in Message 105: "Which deities are the same?" We're not so much interested in similarities between gods in different South American civilizations as between those in South America versus those in the Middle East and India. I'm particularly interested in this claim: But it turns out you have no evidence that the Mayans and Aztecs had deities similar to the Sumerians, so there's no reason to think they were in communication, particularly since the Sumerians predate the Mayans by a bit, and the Aztecs by a lot.I'm curious why you think ancient writings by people like the Sumerians are so accurate if they thought there were many gods instead of only one true God.--Percy

Wikipedia says Ningishzida was the Sumerian god of the underworld and doesn't mention any journey to America. What evidence do you have that such a god ever existed or that he did what you claim? Once you've provided evidence of the existence of the god Ningishzida, could you then provide evidence that he had these powers?Isn't the existence of Ningishzida contrary to the Christian view of one God?--Percy

Thanks for your detailed answer. Hopefully this demonstrates that you are not just flitting about. And there is no need for a post naming all o the similarities. I'd prefer that you just present your best case examples. If these were not the best, feel free to give others.If these are the best examples, I have to point out that I'm having some issues with identifying the three as being the same. Quetzalcoatl and Kukulkan were some kind of plumed serpents, yes, But Viracocha was apparently human-like in appearance. Further, the link and similarities between Quetzalcoatl and Kukulkan do not appear to be any more mysterious and needing of explanation than do the similarities between Zeus and Jupiter.On the other hand, the God in the Bible is not described as teaching technology and arts, or creating cities. He is described as destroying all of those things once.

Actually in the Bible the God is described as destroying cities far more than just once. It seems to have been a pretty common form of entertainment with lots of options; floods, shakes, frogs. fire from the sky, kill off the kids and cattle, turn water into blood, send locusts ...

Similar is not the same as "the same". There are similarities between myths around the world but there are also great differences. There is a variety of evidence that George Washington et al. existed. Volumes were written about them during their own lifetimes and shortly after by people who actually knew them. No single piece of evidence is conclusive but the body of evidence is persuasive. That seems to be your logic, that the gods "must" be real because people all over the world believed in them. The bottom line is that they didn't know "the truth". They only knew what they believed to be true. That's why beliefs all around the world are different, because nobody knows "the truth".

We dont know that for sure. All that we know is that not everybody knows what everybody else knows(or doesnt know.) Its quite a blanket assertion to declare that--just because we don't know the truth that nobody does.

If somebody else knew "the truth", how would you know they knew? If you could know that what they know is "the truth", wouldn't you know "the truth" too?

You would think that if the Bible actually was the inerrant word of God there would at least be one universal list of what books would be included.Edited by jar, : fix subtitle

I agree that if we used "We don't know" so "nobody knows" that we would be using bad logic. But it is just your unfounded notion that we are using that bad argument.We could instead note that everybody who gains an understanding about the origin of the universe through their religion has done so through belief. Thus they don't actually know regardless of the strength of their conviction. I am quite comfortable with generalizing in such a way.

It really doesn't matter how they were written.
The facts of reality show that what was written (regardless of how) is wrong. The Bible doesn't make the smallest degree of difference for human prosperity when viewed across the groups of people it affects.There's simply no difference between bible believers and atheists when looked at as entire groups.Both groups include some people that are very happy, and others that are very sad.
Neither group is obviously happier or sadder than the other... they're just both human.
Both groups include some people that are spiritually enlightened, and others that are spiritually empty.
Neither group is obviously more or less spiritually enlightened than the other... they're just both human.
Both groups include rich people and poor people.
Neither group is obviously richer or poorer than the other... they're just both human.
Both groups include smart people and dumb people.
Neither group is obviously smarter or dumber than the other... they're just both human.Even if the bible was written with knowledge... it doesn't matter, it was wrong.
The facts are undeniable.
The facts stare us all in the face every day.
The Bible does not help all humans have a better life.
The Bible will help a few humans have a better life.
Atheism does not help all humans have a better life.
Atheism will help a few humans have a better life.
We are all human, we all must find our way.For some, that way will be the Bible... those people should follow the Bible. Those people should not try to convince others to follow the Bible, because it is a fact that the Bible does not work for everyone.For some, that way will be atheism... those people should be atheists. Those people should not try to convince others to become atheists, because it is a fact that atheism does not work for everyone.For some, that way will be something else... those people should figure out what that thing is and stick with it. Those people should not try to convince others to do the same thing, because whatever it is... it is a fact that it will not work for everyone.People are different.
We are all human.
Find your thing, stick with it.
Stop trying to convince others that 'your thing' is somehow the best and works for everyone.
It isn't, and it doesn't.
If you're unhappy... change your thing.

Nonukes and Percy, you guys need to know first that I am not a creationist, nor an evolutionist. Both "radical extremes" are wrong. The theory of human evolution is just a cheap joke, absolutely gross at its best. The mainstream "creationist" view based on christian religion is wrong too. I was of course raised in a culture of an almighty omnipotent God that nobody ever tells you who he is or was, where he came from, why we created us. Basically the popular "notion" is that God is a powerful light sitting on top of a white cloud with a magic wand creating universes and humans because he doesn't have anything else to do in life.Christianity monoteist was invented by constantine in the 5th century AD. There were before christian pagans, unorganized and prosecuted. But as their numbers grew, constantine saw the opportunity to organize this pagan religion, make it the official religion of the empire and therefore have absolute power. Virtually the representative of God on earth. The Roman empire confiscated all the documents available at that time, and through multiple councils, they decided what texts where going to be used and which were not. At their own convenience. They eliminated politeism, and forced everybody to worship only one. They left outside for example The book of Enoch. I invite everybody to read the translation. The book of Enoch not only confirms the writing of other biblical texts, but it goes deeper in extreme detail about the bizarre events happening on earth in those days.Going back to topic, yes, the deity for Mayans and Aztec is more like a plummed serpent while for Incas is more like a human looking. Well, all these Gods are human looking. They look just like us. That's why the bible starts saying "let us create humans in our image after our own likeness" According to ancient civilizations, these beings are white skin, long white hair and beards. The "plummed serpent" name, of course sounds mythical and fictional. But remember one thing. If these beings really existed, and were traveling from one continent to other, and from earth to orbit back and forth, they HAVE to be wearing some sort of special suits and helmets that is inconceivable for us to understand or imagine. Now imagine a 2,000-3,000 year old human how ion the world would understand, even worst explain what he was seeing. An ancient human will try to exemplify it with the closest thing known to him. In this case, a serpent head with a plummed body.Percy, yes all the ancient texts contradict the belief of modern Christian religion for the same reason stated before that Christian religion was an invention by man. It is not the truth. Or at least, not the whole clear picture. Just part of it is used and by the way was imposed by the sword to create some sort of control on the society and power for authorities.